PATRIOTS NEWS Official 2024 Free Agency Thread - Day 5

mike_usagisan said:

Amazingly, because I didn't think it was possible, our tackles and wide receivers are worse. Maybe Brisket will make up for that, but he's not going to have time to throw and the people he throws to aren't going to be open.

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Are the WRs worse though…
Douglas a year older.
Bourne back
Parker gone

Seems better to me honestly, which is pretty f**king sad.

Add a couple this draft and we’re improved. Not where we need to be, but improved.

Drunken Cicerone said:

I agree, and adding a playmaker gives you a base to work off of. Will can’t go into the year with Brissett as the clear #1 though

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Brissett is here to be a mentor and execute AVPs offense. If the pick is ready week 1, by all means start him. I have more faith in Brissett and the rookie than what he had last year.

40yrpatsfan said:

very possible. At 11 take Penix. At 23 take one of several good OT's - eg Guyton. At 34 take a WR.

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Good post Cousin, The Draft value chart has #23 and #11 at 1950 points. Our #3 is 2200 points. Would the Pats, when they come back from vacation this week, Take #11 and #23 for the #3 pick if the Vikes spun one of their fourths like pick #108?
We are closer in points to a top three pick from them than Washington or the Bears for that matter. The Bears are also in their division.

I think most on this Forum would opt for this deal. We need a slew of picks in this Draft as our front office is sleep walking through FA. and deserve an "F". We are forced to play rookies.....like Green Bay...hmm.

Your post makes a lot of sense. Until the "Take a QB at #3" posters can guarantee that the "Holy Three" are that much more viable as a "franchise QB (see Trey Lance. See Bryce Young), I would take my chances of the so called second tier (Mahomes was 10th) None of these kids will start in 2024 anyway. We are starting if ranked, the worst QB in the NFL in 2024 instead.

Great job FO. You guys have created this issue for years in Draft and FA choices and have escaped criticism Mr. Wolf and Mr. Groh, and blamed this all on BB? He was the final say so shame on him, but it was you ....and yes Fields haters I would take a 6th (or this 4th) and trade with the Bears for Fields. I would rather have an ascending QB than a career backup just to make 2024 a little bit exciting. If AVP worked with Watson who has run characteristics, perhaps he could finish molding Fields. At least it would be exciting to watch as our new multi-million dollar clip board holders on the sideline show off their clean uniforms in 2024.

What a trajedy it would be if Fields wound up as really good here. What would we do...what would we do...

DW Toys

After free agency I could just see them saying - "we have big needs for long-term answers at QB, LT and WR. We can trade down from #3 and then go into this year with #11, #23 and #34 and probably be able to find answers to at least two of those three spots with those picks depending on how the board falls. Then we can spend some of our still large cap space to shore up whatever hole is left after the draft for the time being and tackle that again the following year."

Ross12 said:

After free agency I could just see them saying - "we have big needs for long-term answers at QB, LT and WR. We can trade down from #3 and then go into this year with #11, #23 and #34 and probably be able to find answers to at least two of those three spots with those picks depending on how the board falls. Then we can spend some of our still large cap space to shore up whatever hole is left after the draft for the time being and tackle that again the following year."

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Yes but without a franchise QB you have nothing.
If we trade 3 and Maye turns out to be Allen, Stanford, Herbert.
No decision is going to fix that.

Ross12 said:

After free agency I could just see them saying - "we have big needs for long-term answers at QB, LT and WR. We can trade down from #3 and then go into this year with #11, #23 and #34 and probably be able to find answers to at least two of those three spots with those picks depending on how the board falls. Then we can spend some of our still large cap space to shore up whatever hole is left after the draft for the time being and tackle that again the following year."

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Great minds think alike Ross that my thinking too I would Trade with Minnesota we'll get a QB regardless.

Bourne Again Christian said:

Yes but without a franchise QB you have nothing.
If we trade 3 and Maye turns out to be Allen, Stanford, Herbert.
No decision is going to fix that.

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That's the gamble you take I think Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels are more of a Franchise. Maye I feel a little leery hope I'm wrong but we have too many Needs at the moment to settle on # 3.

slash83 said:

Don’t get cute, stay at 3 draft a qb. Next years class isn’t all that.

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The one scenario I can think of here:

Vikings are willing to trade note only two first this year, but their next years first as well.

You then take the two first you received from them this year (maybe even add an extra mid rounder for measure), and move back up to 5 with the Chargers and take McCarthy.

Netting an extra 1st from the deal.

I'm ok with passing on QB and moving back if they don't love a guy. Moving back and taking a QB they like less... awful idea. Whether it's pick #3 or pick #11, if you take a QB at either spot you're hitching your future to that guy. The next 3-5 years of your franchise will depend on how that guy develops. I don't care what you get to move back from #3 to #11... it does NOT justify taking that plunge with a prospect you like less. Stay at #3 and just take the guy you want if it's a QB you're after.

Love this mock:

#11: McCarthy, #23: Thomas

40yrpatsfan said:

very possible. At 11 take Penix. At 23 take one of several good OT's - eg Guyton. At 34 take a WR.

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I like the Penix Jr too but no Mocks or dream have him going that High.

In 2021
49ers got: first-round pick (No. 3 overall)

Dolphins got:
2021 first-round pick (No. 12 overall)
2022 first-round pick (No. 29 overall)
2022 third-round pick (No. 101 overall)
2023 first-round pick (No. 29 overall)

In 2024?
Vikings get: 3
Pats get: 11, 23, and a 1st 2025. A 4th this year would be icing on the cake.

I trust AVP’s and McAdoo’s QB scouting skills so if “their guy” is there at 3, I’m still taking the QB. If Daniels/Maye aren’t significantly higher McCarthy/Nix (would be surprising but possible), I’d pull the trigger on that trade, assuming that they don’t also get a good offer from someone in the top 7-8.

Bourne Again Christian said:

Penix in the first round is disgusting.
Patriots should not trade down.
We need a franchise QB,
What is Minnesota is going after the number 1 pick?

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Penix Jr late First or 34 not disgusting.

Bourne Again Christian said:

Yes but without a franchise QB you have nothing.
If we trade 3 and Maye turns out to be Allen, Stanford, Herbert.
No decision is going to fix that.

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Well, depends on what they do at the position after the trade. If we trade #3 who turns out to be a stud QB, that sucks, but it's ultimately just a footnote if they address the position properly next year. Honestly, that's probably a better scenario because then they'd have a QB and extra picks to likely improve the rest of the roster. But passing on a guy who's good and ending up not addressing the position properly in the near future is a death sentence for this regime. Then again, so is drafting a QB this year and he doesn't pan out. And so is drafting the right guy this year but failing with the rest of the roster. All those scenarios result in Wolf getting canned lol

Patsgofor4 said:

In 2021
49ers got: first-round pick (No. 3 overall)

Dolphins got:
2021 first-round pick (No. 12 overall)
2022 first-round pick (No. 29 overall)
2022 third-round pick (No. 101 overall)
2023 first-round pick (No. 29 overall)

In 2024?
Vikings get: 3
Pats get: 11, 23, and a 1st 2025. A 4th this year would be icing on the cake.

I trust AVP’s and McAdoo’s QB scouting skills so if “their guy” is there at 3, I’m still taking the QB. If Daniels/Maye aren’t significantly higher McCarthy/Nix (would be surprising but possible), I’d pull the trigger on that trade, assuming that they don’t also get a good offer from someone in the top 7-8.

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Yeah, this is where I'm starting to lean, too.

lions - superbowl contender
packers - playoff team, darkhorse superbowl contender
bears - dj moore & keenan allen at WR with an improved defense

I’ve been on team draft a QB at 3 but if the vikings want to be stupid and include their 2025 first you should think about it.



Start at 7:35. The “Go Up & Get Your Guy” trade has been made 10x. It’s failed 8 times & the other two were vick & goff.

That 2025 pick will likely be in the top 10. Either love a QB & draft him or fleece the vikings.

Patsgofor4 said:

In 2021
49ers got: first-round pick (No. 3 overall)

Dolphins got:
2021 first-round pick (No. 12 overall)
2022 first-round pick (No. 29 overall)
2022 third-round pick (No. 101 overall)
2023 first-round pick (No. 29 overall)

In 2024?
Vikings get: 3
Pats get: 11, 23, and a 1st 2025. A 4th this year would be icing on the cake.

I trust AVP’s and McAdoo’s QB scouting skills so if “their guy” is there at 3, I’m still taking the QB. If Daniels/Maye aren’t significantly higher McCarthy/Nix (would be surprising but possible), I’d pull the trigger on that trade, assuming that they don’t also get a good offer from someone in the top 7-8.

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I like it if the Vikings really want a QB let them have him. We could use 11 and 23 to our advantage and fill holes.

DW Toys said:

Good post Cousin, The Draft value chart has #23 and #11 at 1950 points. Our #3 is 2200 points. Would the Pats, when they come back from vacation this week, Take #11 and #23 for the #3 pick if the Vikes spun one of their fourths like pick #108?
We are closer in points to a top three pick from them than Washington or the Bears for that matter. The Bears are also in their division.

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Throw away the chart. The #3 pick is more valuable than usual because there will be a QB worth taking there. That’s often not the case.

Patsgofor4 said:

In 2021
49ers got: first-round pick (No. 3 overall)

Dolphins got:
2021 first-round pick (No. 12 overall)
2022 first-round pick (No. 29 overall)
2022 third-round pick (No. 101 overall)
2023 first-round pick (No. 29 overall)

In 2024?
Vikings get: 3
Pats get: 11, 23, and a 1st 2025. A 4th this year would be icing on the cake.

I trust AVP’s and McAdoo’s QB scouting skills so if “their guy” is there at 3, I’m still taking the QB. If Daniels/Maye aren’t significantly higher McCarthy/Nix (would be surprising but possible), I’d pull the trigger on that trade, assuming that they don’t also get a good offer from someone in the top 7-8.

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Some things definitely change if the staff really likes Nix/Penix, to the level of equality with McCarthy/Maye. At that point, you likely will have one of those guys still there at 11. You could even mess around and pair 23 and 34 to move up for a premium WR or tackle as well.

I still don't want to make the move, and definitely don't make that move without at least obtaining the 2025 first rounder.