Kraft Orchids Case - Prosecuters Want a Tug Rule?

burtgummer said:

My biggest concern is that there's no way in hell Kraft can get a fair trial in Florida.He may be better off just pay the legal fine and do the NFL punishment

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One-If-By-Sea said:

Kraft is most likely out of touch with his feelings and desires. Being rich does not make him emotionally healthy (the nerd label). There is something about these women at the spa that certain men find attractive (or there would not be so many spas). Young, petite, submissive, long hair, small shoulders, etc. Most Instagram models different from young Asian women. Just a fact. Where Kraft and the others caught in this sting went wrong is they should understand their attraction, accept it, and find a willing, age appropriate partner that matches their attraction. They can find that woman if they spend a bit of money. I am sure they would spend the money if they understood their feelings/attraction. They are trapped in a fantasy that takes them back to the "rub and tug" because they can't express their feelings and act in a mature fashion. This type of behavior is labelled many different ways in our society, and you can see a lot of the labels in this thread.

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archstanton543 said:

Thee's a paperwork trail surely and the testimony of the women who were for all intents and purposes held captive. If they were underage, you bet the cops would have kicked the doors open and put a stop to it almost immediately.

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robertweathers said:

I think you have to be dead not to be drawn to an attractive woman in general. I've spent a lot of time in Asia and knowing myself I was/am most certainly drawn to Asian women. I also have received just massages by them. Can't say the thought never crossed my mind of taking the experience to the next level but its just wasnt something I was comfortable doing.

Bob is single. He can do whatever the hell he wants. His problem is he wasn't discreet and chose to shop at a strip mall when for privacy and quality reasons should have gone to Rodeo Drive.

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One-If-By-Sea said:

Agreed. But Bob's fantasy did not include "privacy and quality". It included something inside the strip mall, so he and lots of others, went there.

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archstanton543 said:

You know why the rich are rich? Because instead of paying say $500 for that kind of massage in a private hotel room or at your house, you pay $60 bucks at the seedy one at the strip mall. The savings adds up over time.

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Chevrolet said:

here is a link I found.

https://ewscripps.brightspotcdn.com/74/98/64c708b942ac9a24ed0e40f57db0/hua-pc.pdf

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robertweathers said:

Great question.

Based on this "just" being a misdemeanor he shouldn't need to but league politics and public perception is a funny thing. If sponsors start to quietly express serious concerns about Bob maintaining a visible persona then maybe Jonathan becomes the face and Bob fades to the background but is still "the boss".

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Kenneth Sims said:

Am I missing something? We were told these charges came out of a sex slave trafficking investigation but have any charges been brought against anyone for the actual trafficking? I’ve read most of this thread and read and heard about this from media outlets. But, I don’t remember hearing so and so where charged with human trafficking. Isn’t it suspicious if we haven’t?

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Triumph said:

What about human trafficking?

The Jupiter PD stated "solicitation of prostitution" and..."human trafficking." Why add human trafficking in there for no reason? That is a federal crime.

23 owners could say we want the Krafts name out of our product.

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PittPatriot said:

Where do you live? In the friendly confines of New England?
In Columbus, my phone blew up with comments and memes and every where I see people I know are snickering.

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robertweathers said:

Bob wanted a jolt. He's board with his sexuality and needed a pick me up.

He could have hired a dominatrix for Christ's Sake.

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YOUGOTMOSSED said:

Not sure what the heck you're trying to say but my view on this is:

In the dawn of humanity, humans figured out pretty quickly that, aside from reproduction, sex felt good and thus had a transaction value. Hence the birth of the "world's oldest profession."

As they formed into societies, they figured out that it works better when the mans sticks around with the woman and they raise the kids together. Hence marriage.

Years later, progressives came along with the ideas that marriage is a form of oppressing women and that all of our sexual impulses are self-justifying. Hence, the age of degeneracy we live in now.

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luuked said:

Am I missing the sarcasm on what most certainly has to be satire ? Or are you actually serious about this ?

We live in the same level of degeneracy we have been for the last thousands of years. Yes we got some funky new tech, don't have to walk everywhere and medicine so we live longer but if you seriously believe our "morals" were better in the past then boy do I have some magic beans for sale you might be interested in.

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robertweathers said:

Pertaining to this investigation, I find it interesting the fed is nowhere to be found.

I think the local PD threw it out there because the fed has been sitting on their ass

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Triumph said:

Absolutely this country has changed.

Certain words were not allowed in songs and racy tv shows were not on. It was way different. We loved this country.

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VectorPrime said:

Oh boy he’s denying it even though the police claim to have video. Real smart.

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robertweathers said:

Bob wanted a jolt. He's board with his sexuality and needed a pick me up.

He could have hired a dominatrix for Christ's Sake.

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