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The Josh Gordon Thread: Pats Officially Acquire Gordon for Fifth-Round Pick


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Personally I highly doubt we see him this weekend unless they just ease a few plays in there for him. Besides Woodhead, can’t think of a Patriot player who was acquired and had any significant impact that same week?
That’s why I said 20-25% of the snaps. Don’t give him plays with some of the more complicated option routes. He needs to develop timing with Brady though and I can’t think of a better opponent to do that with than the Lions.
 
Ummm why not? The guy has fresh legs. Guy has missed 4 years of football. He’s 27. 10 months ago he was timed 4.3 in the Cleveland browns training camp. He still can fly.

Just don't get your hopes up is all I am saying...this guy has serious issues mentally and not sure he can ever be saved but we will see. He will be good if he cleans up his act and earns the trust of TB ect...

He can also be gone in 2 or 3 weeks...with this guy...anything is possible
 
We can’t chalk up josh Gordon destroying his career by smoking weed to addiction because weed is not addictive, it’s a choice.

Well, it's a substance abuse problem, and I wouldn't recommend labeling him as undeserving because he's caught up in it.
 
Personally I highly doubt we see him this weekend unless they just ease a few plays in there for him. Besides Woodhead, can’t think of a Patriot player who was acquired and had any significant impact that same week?

IIRC, Woodhead was signed on a Thursday or Friday (after being released by the Jete) before a road game (against the Jete) and didn't travel with the team for that Sunday's game. He was, however, active for the following Sunday's home game against BUF. Woodhead had three rushes for 42 yds and a TD in his first game active with the Pats.
 
Just don't get your hopes up is all I am saying...this guy has serious issues mentally and not sure he can ever be saved but we will see. He will be good if he cleans up his act and earns the trust of TB ect...

He can also be gone in 2 or 3 weeks...with this guy...anything is possible

He also played for only one team, the Cleveland Browns- the cesspool of the NFL and the worse possible place to be in, for someone who needs structure and guidance.

Let's see how he does with the best structured team in the NFL.
 
Well of course that is an ignorant belief about addiction and I doubt you can find anyone under 80 who would agree with it.
There is however a difference between addiction and drug/alcohol abuse.
When I was college age drinking to excess every weekend was extremely common. Now some of those people were alcoholics but most were doing it for social/recreational/enjoyment purposes.
Eventually real life kicks in and you move beyond that bit many people still want to make their social life, revolving around drinking, their focal point. I’ve seen people get themselves into a lot of trouble because they lacked the maturity to settle down.
With the drinking age at 21 this seems to be less of an issue however weed use increase accordingly and creates the same problems.
Marijuana is not addictive so it’s not an issue of addiction it’s an issue of choice. Unfortunately legalizing it moves in the opposite direction of raising the drinking age and weed use among teenagers is at epidemic levels which is freightening because they are at the age where their brain, and values are still developing and that maturity is at stake.

We can’t chalk up josh Gordon destroying his career by smoking weed to addiction because weed is not addictive, it’s a choice.

Why are we still referring to it as a "weed addiction" on page 74 when it's been clearly established he's had problems with harder drugs?
 
If Gordon even plays as a Decoy the Safety will still have to shade in his direction. His presence alone take this Offense to a new level both Hogan an Dorsett will be more effective now playing against lesser players. And if Gordon is one and one all Brady has to do is throw it up ala "fetch go get it.":D Gordon have a Large catch Radius too. Gordon - Gronk - Edelman - Hogan and our RB's yikes:eek: says the D.:cool:
 
Why are we still referring to it as a "weed addiction" on page 74 when it's been clearly established he's had problems with harder drugs?

Reefer madness.

It's also wrong to say you can't be addicted to marijuana. You certainly can be, it's just not chemically dependence-forming in the same way that opioids, alcohol, or nicotine are. But just like there are people addicted to gambling, sex, World of Warcraft, beating off, and being a grouch on internet forums, it's certainly possible to pick up a marijuana habit that's hard to kick. It's just not a particularly dangerous or self-destructive habit compared to most other addictions, except in situations where it is (like when you have to take a regular drug test for work).

But, as noted, Gordon's issues seem to run a lot deeper. Marijuana's the tip of the iceberg (I don't think it was the "gateway"). Alcohol, xanax, maybe opioids. Those are much bigger issues.

I say all this noting that, unlike Andy, I'm actively rooting for the guy and hope he's over whatever demons are haunting him. Addiction sucks and he's only seemed to hurt himself. He's got all the talent in the world and he seems like a good enough guy. And I think addiction's a much bigger problem in the NFL than is made known; a lot of these guys become addicted to prescription painkillers in the course of their careers. They just don't get tested for that because the entire league would piss positive.
 
About Gordon's contract is that link right??:confused:

Josh Gordon

So lets say he works out here we would have him as a RFA in 2019 which means he would be on our Books for Two Years on the Cheaps??:eek:
 
lack of protection for Brady

What game did you watch? Protection would have been fine if they had Edelman and a guy like Gordon out there with Gronk.

Hogan and Dorsett are solid #3 and #4 WRs and Brady can probably beat most defenses with them as the #1 and #2 but against the best pass defenses it's a tall order
 
Well of course that is an ignorant belief about addiction and I doubt you can find anyone under 80 who would agree with it.
There is however a difference between addiction and drug/alcohol abuse.
When I was college age drinking to excess every weekend was extremely common. Now some of those people were alcoholics but most were doing it for social/recreational/enjoyment purposes.
Eventually real life kicks in and you move beyond that bit many people still want to make their social life, revolving around drinking, their focal point. I’ve seen people get themselves into a lot of trouble because they lacked the maturity to settle down.
With the drinking age at 21 this seems to be less of an issue however weed use increase accordingly and creates the same problems.
Marijuana is not addictive so it’s not an issue of addiction it’s an issue of choice. Unfortunately legalizing it moves in the opposite direction of raising the drinking age and weed use among teenagers is at epidemic levels which is freightening because they are at the age where their brain, and values are still developing and that maturity is at stake.

We can’t chalk up josh Gordon destroying his career by smoking weed to addiction because weed is not addictive, it’s a choice.

Marijuana does not, generally speaking, induce as much physical and mental dependence as other drugs. Unfortunately generalizations don't always represent reality.

The bottom line is that you're altering your biochemistry directly via ingestion of a drug, THC.

I can tell you from personal experience that marijuana can cause the same process and pattern of addiction as any other drug, and after incredibly heavy usage for an extended period of time I suffered from very mild withdrawals following ceasing using it. Didn't have much of an appetite for 3-4 days, had night sweats; after roughly a week of being off it my mood improved dramatically.

No doubt it paled in comparison to other drugs (although I don't have experience with those), but to claim it's merely matter of choice and none of the underlying biochemical/psychological processes that are addiction exist with the use of marijuana is just untrue.

I have underlying depression which no doubt influenced my use (it was more of a self medication situation). If Gordon has mental health issues that could certainly exacerbate the situation.

I could add more to this post and had an additional thought or two but those ideas seem to have escaped me. I did, however, want to clear up this misconception.

I still strongly believe marijuana is a relatively benign drug and should be legalized but like any other biochemical altering substance it comes with its issues, can cause addiction, and can negatively impact the lives of users (depending on variables/circumstances involved, including the individual using it).
 
About Gordon's contract is that link right??:confused:

Josh Gordon

So lets say he works out here we would have him as a RFA in 2019 which means he would be on our Books for Two Years on the Cheaps??:eek:

That's why I'm mad over this lost, if he works out could of had an undefeated season well even before him I was rooting for one but oh well, we'll re entertain that one next year.
 
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