McVay openly discusses being outsmarted by Belichick in SBLIII

[patchick]

You mean 18-1, right?

If TB12 is healthy they go 13-3.

Oops, bad typo!
Of course there's no saying what 2008 could have been, but the fact is that the three seasons after 2007 are the only times in the past 13 years that the Pats didn't make the AFC championship game.

 

[maust]

Thats the issue. Hes answering it truthfully.

As opposed to the just as truthful but not so revealing...

 

[RobertWeathers]

Oops, bad typo!
Of course there's no saying what 2008 could have been, but the fact is that the three seasons after 2007 are the only times in the past 13 years that the Pats didn't make the AFC championship game.

Yea but the talent level was in decline as well. Rodney, Bru, Seau, Thomas, Colvin, Warren, Sey, A$ante, Green, Vrabs and 2010 was a reboot.

I dont think it as a mental thing but a talent issue (or lack thereof)

 

[patchick]

Yea but the talent level was in decline as well. Rodney, Bru, Seau, Thomas, Colvin, Warren, Sey, A$ante, Green, Vrabs and 2010 was a reboot.

I dont think it as a mental thing but a talent issue (or lack thereof)

Oh, absolutely. But we don't give other teams the same kind of analysis or account for their personnel changes, so it only seems fair to put the post-Tyree Patriots in the same category as the post-Butler Seahawks.

 

[Wheelman]

McVay is the NFL version of a helicopter parent.

Interesting. Quite a few Seahawks players, former Legion of Boom players in particular, would say the same thing of Pete Carroll with regards to the way he tried to protect Russell Wilson.

Those are the biggest hangovers of all. The Seahawks weren't the same after Malcolm Butler. The Falcons weren't the the same after 28-3. And frankly, the Patriots weren't the same after 16-1.

Apparently it was happening before the Seahawks faced the Patriots. The loss was probably just the tipping point.

The Dynasty That Never Was: Inside the Unraveling of the Seattle Seahawks

 

[Wheelman]

Oops, bad typo!
Of course there's no saying what 2008 could have been, but the fact is that the three seasons after 2007 are the only times in the past 13 years that the Pats didn't make the AFC championship game.

You have to remember they were rebuilding on the fly. There was a mass exodus of veteran leadership. Took time to rebuild. That was going to happen either way.

 

[patchick]

You have to remember they were rebuilding on the fly. There was a mass exodus of veteran leadership. Took time to rebuild. That was going to happen either way.

Yep, as I said to @robertweathers, I do remember it. But Falcons fans probably remember that their defense wasn't all that much to start with, Seahawks fans remember that Lynch was soon injured then retired, etc. I was just attempting to treat the Patriots the same as the others, sticking to results.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Goff really messed up too. No NFL starting QB should take the sacks he took. Failed to throw it away a number of times.

Also may have an opposite narrative if Goff could complete a TD pass to an uncovered Cooks, who had over 20 yards of separation. That was a horrible pass that floated in the air and took Cooks to the very back of the end zone. Romo also pointed out a huge blown opportunity by Goff in the second half (I think late 3rd or early 4th) where he didn’t see a wide open receiver for a would-be 40+ yard gain/TD. Then that gift game clinching INT was just a pitiful throw in that situation; it was second down and they were finally driving down the field.

Both defenses had great game plans. The major difference was the QBs, and really just a few plays Brady made and Goff didn’t.

 

[TommyD4207]

Seems like hes been lamenting over his lack of preparedness and being out-coached since February. I applaud his honesty, humility and willingness to admit mistakes but for God's Sake move on.

It could make him a better coach in the long run, if he is able to adapt.

 

[Brick27]

Don’t think it was intent with that comment, but I wouldn’t exactly chalk it up as the Pats simply having the same game plan as others who stopped the Rams.

 

[Wheelman]

Also may have an opposite narrative if Goff could complete a TD pass to an uncovered Cooks, who had over 20 yards of separation. That was a horrible pass that floated in the air and took Cooks to the very back of the end zone. Romo also pointed out a huge blown opportunity by Goff in the second half (I think late 3rd or early 4th) where he didn’t see a wide open receiver for a would-be 40+ yard gain/TD. Then that gift game clinching INT was just a pitiful throw in that situation; it was second down and they were finally driving down the field.

Both defenses had great game plans. The major difference was the QBs, and really just a few plays Brady made and Goff didn’t.

Are you talking about that deep incut in the 4th qtr at around 10:37 left in the game? This is a pure guess but I think Harmon was watching Goff's eyes. You can see Goff's head is looking left. So wherever he was going to throw Harmon was going to go to. Harmon would have broken on that deep incut. Would have made 3rd down manageable for them so still the right throw to make. But not a TD unless the receiver is somehow able to break Harmon's tackle. Who knows, with Goff's throwing maybe even pick the pass off.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Don’t think it was intent with that comment, but I wouldn’t exactly chalk it up as the Pats simply having the same game plan as others who stopped the Rams.

The Lions used the Quarters defense earlier in the season. I read an article prior to the game about how this was a really effective strategy, though the Lions still lost 30-16. But for a while the Rams running at full capacity were not able to move the ball and struggled against this concept. I don’t have the link, but the author indicated that Belichick might employ a similar strategy as Patricia, as he was likely to take note of it, if not the original thinker behind the idea. Of course, that’s just “checkers” thinking that a mere formation is enough to employ and shut down that offense. I’m sure there was much more to it, but that was the basic concept behind the defense in the SB.

The other key point was that Belichick had them attack in a vertical way to the QB, whereas most teams would play it with horizontal shifting, though that just plays right into what the Rams want to do....it was obvious the pass rush was on fire likely because of that strategy, which I guess was kind of counterintuitive against that Rams formation and concept.

 

[PP2]

Thats the issue. Hes answering it truthfully.

However, you do have a point- he should not have let the media run away with it and make it more of a distraction than it has to be.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Oh, absolutely. But we don't give other teams the same kind of analysis or account for their personnel changes, so it only seems fair to put the post-Tyree Patriots in the same category as the post-Butler Seahawks.

I agree. Seahawks have lost a lot of talent as well and weve heard players like Skittles and Sherman say that loss left a residual effect on the team

 

[RobertWeathers]

It could make him a better coach in the long run, if he is able to adapt.

Admitting mistakes is fine. Just seems he's constantly revisiting it

 

[RobertWeathers]

However, you do have a point- he should not have let the media run away with it and make it more of a distraction than it has to be.

That might be it. Not everyone can have BBs turn the page media persona. I get that he's still stewing over the SB but his responses aren't helping the 2019 Rams any by hearing their leader say he got his brains beat in and wasn't prepared for theSB

 

[Tony2046]

Also may have an opposite narrative if Goff could complete a TD pass to an uncovered Cooks, who had over 20 yards of separation. That was a horrible pass that floated in the air and took Cooks to the very back of the end zone. Romo also pointed out a huge blown opportunity by Goff in the second half (I think late 3rd or early 4th) where he didn’t see a wide open receiver for a would-be 40+ yard gain/TD. Then that gift game clinching INT was just a pitiful throw in that situation; it was second down and they were finally driving down the field.

Both defenses had great game plans. The major difference was the QBs, and really just a few plays Brady made and Goff didn’t.

I agree but I put a little less overall blame on Goff than you do. I'd add their O'line and OC to the list of "major differences". And I still wonder what was going on with Gurley.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I agree but I put a little less overall blame on Goff than you do. I'd add their O'line and OC to the list of "major differences". And I still wonder what was going on to Gurley.

Gurley is clearly not right. They are reporting everything from arthritis, a degenerative condition, etc.

They have him on a "load mgt" plan this preseason and I suspect he'll be around 200 carries this year.

Same with Sony I suspect.

 

[luuked]

Sean McVay knows he screwed up in the Super Bowl — and his Rams will be stronger for it

The mistake he seems to still be doing is treating a game against the Pats and BB as something special. No. **** that. You have to prepare for every game as fanatically and comprehensively. This is why BB talks every opponent up, creates those highlight packages even when we play absolute bottom feeders and never lets complacency sip in.

This is one of the keys. On some level the SB is just another game for the Patriots. Of course it feels special but the prep work for it is the same as for every game the team has 2 weeks to work on.

 

[letekro]

Seems like hes been lamenting over his lack of preparedness and being out-coached since February. I applaud his honesty, humility and willingness to admit mistakes but for God's Sake move on.

Haha. Of course, some of it may be publicly covering for his young QB. That’s what a good leader would do, and he appears to be a good one.