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Another read option success story in an era without much read option.

Damaged, with good arm strength and questions about field vision and character ("RG Me"). Not sure how he helps the Pats, unless his slide since 2012 has fixed his issues.
 
The biggest knock on him is that he apparently doesn't work very hard to get better, so I'm thinking he'd be a pretty awful fit here.

He looked a lot better playing with the Ravens #1s this pre-season than he ever looked with the Skins. Maybe the lightbulb finally went on for him.
 
Better than Hoyer.
 
His need for attention may make him more of a hindrance than a help in NE...

How long would it take for him to understand the subtleties of this offense??.. like many WR's that come here and claim to understand it then all of a sudden they do not..
 
...crappy attitude. NO!

That's what they said about Corey Dillon and Randy Moss. These are young men who are treated with ridiculous deference in high school and college who (in most cases) mature in their 20s; just as the rest of us in the real world do. RG3 is a different person today. He's experienced failure, major injuries and rejection. Belichick, McDaniels and the Patriots might be just right for him.
 
Hoyer is the perfect back up QB for the Pats. If Brady goes really down he is an elite talent for tanking.

If Brady goes down, so does our season. End of story.
 
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His need for attention may make him more of a hindrance than a help in NE...

How long would it take for him to understand the subtleties of this offense??.. like many WR's that come here and claim to understand it then all of a sudden they do not..

Here we go with a late QB addition having to fit a "system" again. The Pats are more than capable of developing an offense around his skill set and installing more as time goes by. RG3 can throw every pass on the field. The challenge and responsibility lies with the coaches to put him in a position to succeed.
 
How long would it take for him to understand the subtleties of this offense??

McD will reconfigure the offense to match the current abilities of players he has to work with -optimize their strengths and avoid exposing their weaknesses and vulnerabilities. He just recently said as much.

There are layers/levels of understanding the "complete offense" that new players need to assimilate in some sort of sequence. New players need to have the ability and the willingness to keep working at it relentlessly. However much progress they've made at a certain point in time, that's the extent of the complexity they'll be asked to execute - and then only to the limit of their general skill level.

The thing is that, although Hoyer has "experience in the system", he doesn't have anywhere near the level of understanding that Brady does, and his skill set is obviously different. If (God help us) Hoyer needs to take over for awhile, McD will alter the offense to optimize however much Hoyer can do well. McD isn't going to expect Hoyer to run "Brady's Offense" just to have him faceplant. That would be stupid.

The same thing would apply to Griffin, or to anyone else who becomes Brady's backup. They won't be running the "Brady Offense"; it'll be something different. While it seems unlikely that it would be as successful as Brady's Offense, it's not a given that it would be a complete disaster.

So, what it comes down to is objectively and dispassionately evaluating what strengths and weaknesses Griffin has versus Hoyer's strengths and weaknesses. Since neither of them would be running anything more than a limited version of the offense, it's a matter of figuring out which limited version - Griffin's or Hoyer's - would be most likely to succeed against the specific defenses that the Pats will face in the regular season in 2018.
 
Let's see:

1) Hoyer is what he is, which ain't much. He seems like a nice guy, the kind that finishes last though. The best that can be said of him: "He might not be disastrous."

2) My mother, at 98, has better footwork than Danny Etling. Maybe he could use a walker back there? He has a good arm and seems like a worker, though. In anything but the immediate term, I think he's more valuable, net, than Hoyer.

3) RG3 might not be the poodle-dood flibbertigibbbet he used to be, and one reads that he is showing at least SOME discipline these days. Could be.

So, if the only three options were the three above, I'd go RG3/Etling. Other options will reveal themselves over the next day or two, however, and the best option is likely to be UnknownGuy/Etling, with Etling snuck off to the practice squad under cover of darkness.
 
I certainly hope not. Griffin blows.
 
Rather pick up Savage or Barkley.
Or develop Etling
 
Concern over the back up QB is overrated. Unless you are in fact, the GOAT Tom Brady, you cannot save any team in the NFL from the back up QB position.

I mean just look at the Eagles last year for example.. oh. wait nevermind.

Brady has reached such levels of flexibility that he's like those twist-'em-bend-'em eyeglasses. He CANNOT BE INJURED. If you ran him through a wood chipper, he'd reform and hit Edelman on a crossing pattern.

Apparently some of you have not read Brady's book. (Drinks gigantic glass of water.)
 
If he's healthy , he would be a major upgrade at backup QB. People were gushing over Bridgewater. Rglll is basically the same player ,just older. Perfect backup , if you get the price right.
 
RG3 is not as tall as Ryan Mallet, so how good can he be?
 
If he's healthy , he would be a major upgrade at backup QB. People were gushing over Bridgewater. Rglll is basically the same player ,just older. Perfect backup , if you get the price right.

Bridgewater and Griffin are literally nothing alike except in one thing. I'll leave you to figure out what that thing is.

I don't know if Griffin offers an upgrade on Hoyer. It'd be an interesting redemption story. He certainly had all the talent in the world. Started playing scared after that first big injury though and that's a tough thing to overcome, sometimes impossible. I don't really know why the Patriots would be interested. Bridgewater, a younger pocket passer, that I could see. Maybe next year.
 
McD will reconfigure the offense to match the current abilities of players he has to work with -optimize their strengths and avoid exposing their weaknesses and vulnerabilities. He just recently said as much.

There are layers/levels of understanding the "complete offense" that new players need to assimilate in some sort of sequence. New players need to have the ability and the willingness to keep working at it relentlessly. However much progress they've made at a certain point in time, that's the extent of the complexity they'll be asked to execute - and then only to the limit of their general skill level.

The thing is that, although Hoyer has "experience in the system", he doesn't have anywhere near the level of understanding that Brady does, and his skill set is obviously different. If (God help us) Hoyer needs to take over for awhile, McD will alter the offense to optimize however much Hoyer can do well. McD isn't going to expect Hoyer to run "Brady's Offense" just to have him faceplant. That would be stupid.

The same thing would apply to Griffin, or to anyone else who becomes Brady's backup. They won't be running the "Brady Offense"; it'll be something different. While it seems unlikely that it would be as successful as Brady's Offense, it's not a given that it would be a complete disaster.

So, what it comes down to is objectively and dispassionately evaluating what strengths and weaknesses Griffin has versus Hoyer's strengths and weaknesses. Since neither of them would be running anything more than a limited version of the offense, it's a matter of figuring out which limited version - Griffin's or Hoyer's - would be most likely to succeed against the specific defenses that the Pats will face in the regular season in 2018.
Agree but for a backup QB to come on for a few games it is very difficult to rebuild the offense to suit him when the changes would be drastic. Plus personnel is built around your scheme, so radically changing the offensive scheme is hindered by that also.
As far as griffin, I never saw his as a guy who would thrive in the NFL and he has been pretty bad for awhile. It would be a complete reclamation project.
 
RG3 is not as tall as Ryan Mallet, so how good can he be?
Speaking of Mallett, is he on the street now? Was he in anyone’s camp?
 
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