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Why BB's reputation just went UP among fellow NFL coaches

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  1. PonyExpress

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    Attacked by a barrage of misleading and reckless media reports, BB could have easily defended himself, and protected his public rep, by revealing that EVERYBODY IN THE LEAGUE TAPES SIGNALS. Instead, he said nothing, allowed himself to be publicly humiliated, taking the flak for the whole league as a willing fall guy. He never even made a counteraccusation against the Jets, an obvious, easy argument to make given the mounting evidence gathered on this board. His silence spoke volumes to the coaching fraternity, distinguishing him starkly from Mangini. BB's silence was a more profound indication of his character than any statement he could have made, and people in the know- well, they know it.
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    Good Point!
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    Ditto, good point.
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    Damn straight, and I expect nothing else from good ol' BB. He loves the game too much, he still is the biggest student of the game and the hardest working non-player in the game. He will never do anything to intentionally hurt the game. If he has to report something to the league he will do so with discretion. He must be extremely disappointed with Mangini.


    But hey it's us against the world for real again! :)
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    It is............... But you heard the man. He's busy preparing for San Diego :rocker:
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    This might be true for some coaches, but not for all of them as evidenced by the whining and moaning from that arseclown Fisher and by Dungy. I think those that already respected him, would expect him to do just as he did in accepting blame and not throwing any other coaches under the bus. Those that disliked him/were jealous of him couldn't care less what he did or didn't do in accepting blame, they just want to pile on and possibly make those losses inflicted by him easier to deal with in their own minds.

    I do think Mangina comes off the worse in the comparison.
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    You can't say what you can't prove. Accusing every team of video taping calls, you better have lots of proof or you look very very bad !
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    Yea, and he also taught some of the newbies how to act in public. There were a lot of transgressions after this fiasco. There will be fallout. Many of the old guard knew how BB would react, and he will continue to be respected. But what do you think about Dungy's status now? Or, Fisher, and Tomlin? There were an awful lot of people that were not too respectful. Do you think that they will learn that maybe they just should have kept quiet? What if they simply continue to throw stones? I have seen people do this as a way to keep the pressure off themselves. No matter what the evidence is, they go on the attack. Learning that the coaches should have just said "no comment" may actually cause some of these people to open thier mouths even wider believe it or not.
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    Great post PonyExpress and I agree. Mangini let the media into the inner sanctum of coaching. A place the media would love to be ... how hard they try every press conference to get there. Such a fool is Mangini ... perhaps he can coach wearing a helmet?
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    It all comes down to that handshake at midfield and the idea of brotherhood amongst coaches. That moment truly was a Judas selling out Jesus moment (by analogy only).

    Belichick did not hide the camera. He never has.

    History will not be kind to Mangini, especially amongst his peers.
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    I also agree PE. Increased respect for BB from other coaches? Yes, albeit begrudgingly. The hatred from many would be unchanged however. Now Mangini is a different story. His "respect", if he had any as a 2nd year coach, is gone, evaporated. Forever. He better have a Chuck Knoll length run in NYC because if/when he gets sacked he never, ever gets another coordinator job. Its back to Wesleyan for Tubby.
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    What would be nice NOW is for stories - and video proof - to come out about the other teams taping illicitly from the sidelines from sources other than Belichick. From the media, fan-sites, whatever - so that guys like Mangini and whoever else get tagged with the same infraction (and one would hope, the same penalty), but without Belichick having broken the code of silence.

    In my view, and I think I'm in the minority here, this will, unfortunately, NEVER happen. I think it'll just go forward and BB will be the only one implicated. And then we'll win anyway.
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    BTW, what's to stop some guy from, say, the Titans, becoming a free agent, not being a fan of Fisher's, and just saying, "Oh please, we stole signals all the time in Tennessee, here's how WE did it." Peter King says the Colts do it all the time - when do we hear from someone on Polian or the holier than thou, Mr. Kumba-effing-Ya himself, Tony Dungy?
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    This is one of the reasons I knew BB and Kraft would never, ever say "Others were doing it too!" It's not a very good defense and it's not going to win you any points trying to drag everyone else down to save your own skin.

    Right now, we're the public whipping boys. Perhaps we will be for some time in the future. But as times goes on, and people look back at this with some perspective (TOTALLY lacking now), we'll see how it treats the Mangina.
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    I'd be surprised if there will be though. While the NFL will be looking into it, they need help from the coaches and teams in order to provide documentation (as Magina supplied).

    As the original context of this thread implies, and some posts have referenced most coaches want to close the door to the inter sanctim of NFL Coaching as quickly as Mangini opened it.

    Unless something real blantant occurs, it'll be mums the word on any coaching trangression for the next few weeks.
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    Are you serious?

    Belichick is not even well=respected by the coaching fraternity.

    I don't even recall one coach thinking highly of him.

    Basically, all coaches have taken shots at Belichick all week.
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    Except Shanny, Parcells, Madden, Martz and others. Great call!

    Listen, I agree that many coaches don't LIKE Belichick, but there are very few who don't respect him as a coach. You're delusional if you think that. Do you?
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    i'd like to think you're right, but this is wishful thinking...i suspect these guys are all too wrapped up in their own worlds...and, i didn't see any of them jumping to his defense...
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    Great contribution to this post. But then again what else I can expect from a 'bolt'!
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    Standing ovation for your insights! Stand up and take a bow! Although some might not believe it, the FACT is, you speak the truth.
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    Our minds aren't clouded by hate, jealousy and the many tears that have been shed by your feminine players. We see the truth...we've been to the mountain top...and our eyes have seen the glory of the coming of more super bowl victories!

    Take that back to the children on Chargers.com. I've been posting a lot over there, so maybe I'll post it there myself...no, I'm too sympathetic for that.
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    Well, the problem as I see is that they don't equate stealing signals with cheating. They equate video-taping with cheating.

    How else to explain guys who say, Sure, everyone tries to get the defensive signals, but we didn't videotape.

    Marshall Faulk actually said, I'm no cheater, but I always tried to get the defensive signals.

    Holgrem said, Don't tell me everyone does it, because everyone doesn't do it. He is not referring to stealing signals, but to videotaping.

    THat is the thing that absolutely boggles my mind. Everyone is okay with trying to steal signals, but everyone says the Pats weren't punished enough because they cheated.

    It is like the world has gone mad.

    So, yeah, even if a guy leaves the Titans, he will say, Sure we tried to get the signals, but we didn't cheat.
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    Great Thread.
    There are alot more people (coaches etc.) behind us than we think. the media and espn polls are bs.

    Like Ive said many times we need to divide this county into sections.
    Demographically we know who the enemy is and what they believe in.

    We need to play it cool-win and this will die out.

    People have always been jealous of us.
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    As the smoke has cleared and days have passed, more and more players/coaches are coming out in support of BB. Not all, of course, and there will still be plenty of teams who we beat that want to lean on this flimsy excuse as to why they lost - but every day the CW seems to be gathering steam, and more people are coming out of the woodwork, in support of Belichick and the fact that this has been blown WILDLY out of proportion.

    It's a totally different situation - 'though in both cases someone did something wrong and in both cases both were punished, in my view overly punished compared to the "crime" - but I see this as Imus 2.0. The press going WILD with a story, and changing the outcome to outlandish proportions.
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    Who has come out and supported BB in any of this?
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    Shanny, Martz, Parcells, Madden, Keyshawn, Tike Barber, Ronde Barber, Chad Johnson and others.
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    Oh, and Sean Salisbury.
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    Another brilliant effort by the Red Pony, who in my opinion has written many of the most amusing posts this week.
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    I must say I have quite enjoyed Salisbury, he doesn't just support the Pats on this, but he literaly sneers at his peers like the progeric one Clayton, and totally dismisses their ardour and thinly disguised agenda vs Belichick.

    His take, is quite literally, gimme a frigging break, this is alot of noise over nuttin but your own personal agendas, maybe just try beating the Pats on the field you frigging whiners.

    I must say while there is certainly NO rivalry with the Jest, as they suck too much, and are in no way shape or form anyone that could be considered anything but a mere plaything to practise beating on, it will be fun to root against RatBoy and his crew from now on, and the " fans" that cheered their stud quaterback as he gamely limped off the field wounded, go J E S T!
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    Shanahan and Belichick has had a respect for each other for a decade so that does not count. Parcells is an overrated coach who won championships because of Belichick. He ain't going to bite the hand that feeds him. Madden is senile. Mike Martz is a cheater so it's no surprise cheaters defend one another.

    I seriously doubt many coaches respect him.

    The anger and outrage from most current coach speak for itself. The comments say it all too.
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