Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by thenepatsrule, May 14, 2012.
Seems like good news to me :rocker:
Make your last year as a Pat a Gr8 one Wes!
I prefer my version.
I think most of us already knew this...
Sounded to those who listened in like he might be wavering on his reluctance to sign the tag in time for the June mini camp. He's really never had any leverage. Might as well do what he loves to do and let the rest of the chips fall where they may. He also acknowledged they have a way of doing things and it's worked out for them for a long time now so trying to rattle them will never work to your advantage. Probably the only guy who could rattle them isn't inclined to, either. I really hope they can find a way to work out a reasonable deal, though. I think it would pay dividends down the road not only on the field but in the locker room. When you're drawn to high effort players who are often overachievers it's good business to fairly compensate them for their achievements.
You do know they have until July to reach a long term deal and then beyond that they have from the end of the 2012 regular season until the opening of the 2013 season and into FA to reach some common ground...
Yes, but Wes needs to lower his demands if he wants to get a longer term deal.
Wes is on the wrong side of 30, and his style of play causes his body to absorb a lot of wear and tear. While we all love him, BB isn't sentimental enough to overpay based on past performance; it will be based on what he can give the Pats going forward, and he's reaching his shelf life.
While the Pats can absorb the franchise tag for him this year, next year I don't think they will.
theonly thing he said with any certainty was:
â€śThereâ€™s nine and a half million reasons why I wouldnâ€™t miss any regular season games, so you donâ€™t have to worry about that.â€ť
sound like he selected those words carefully enough to take a good chunk of the sumer off.
as for signing the tender before minicamp....maybe he will, maybe he won't
One of the best players the Patriots have ever had, no wonder some want to get rid of him.
Yeah that makes sense.
u cant call the 31 other teams in the NFL as some. collectively they are MANY
Actually it doesn't but that hasn't stopped the crazies here from calling for them to get rid of him over and over and over and over..........
Well I'm a recent crazy here, so it isn't over and over for me.
I love Wes, but there is only so much money available.
How much of the cap do you think the Pats should give him? Is he worth Megatron or Fitzgerald money.
Poor cap management will kill a team faster than anything.
There's plenty of cap space available to sign him long term, but the team has a ton of leverage here and they're using it to the max. That doesn't mean Wes shouldn't get a bigger/longer contract or that it would hurt the team if he did. It's asinine imo to hope that this resolves itself in a way that sees Wes elsewhere, or to argue that the Pats offer is de facto correct simply because the salary cap exists.
Really? What's he asking for?
Yeah, except we don't know what his demands are and the Pats lone offer has been insulting in relative terms (length and total value) to the most productive WR in the game for the last 3 seasons. If he produces near that level again in 2012 and they haven't made a conserted effort in the interim to meet him half way, it will be their loss...and ours.
They paid 31 year old Randy Moss $9M per for 3 years and that was 4 years ago and he fell off a cliff comparatively speaking thereafter. Last season they signed a 3 year $12M deal for a 33 year old veteran WR coming off a down year who had never taken a snap in this complex a system. This season they signed another 31 year old player to a three year $12M deal who has had 2 productive seasons in just two of his nine seasons and broken a thousand yards just once on FIVE different teams - albeit in a similar system with various QB's. Welker has outperformed his last deal here consistently for 5 seasons, including even one without Brady and two without Moss or much else at the receiver position prior to the young TE's emerging over the course of the last two seasons. And they offer him 2 years and $16M?
As Chad would say, child...please. Welker is the only one who has earned his straight cash, homie.
Poor cap management is paying a player to perform for the tag. Or offering him a 2 year essentially guaranteed deal. No one is expecting them to offer him 5 years at double digits. 4 years at $8M would be reasonable with $20M guaranteed. If he turned that down then he might be the problem. Call me when that happens. Most of that would be taken care of in the two years they already offered. He's been as durable as he's been productive. Anything after that would be gravey with little dead cap consequence and the ever present NFL opportunity to inform him - if he isn't maintaining his present potential HOF pace - he has to take a haircut if he wants to play out the string and simply settle for a shot at the Hall at Gilette...
It's not a matter of 'what have you done for me lately"?, it's 'what will you do for me soon'?
The team has signed a few WRs recently, and therefore have less need of WW than he has of the team.
LOL......who cares when welker shows up as long as its before the season starts?
if he could come back form his injury the way he did, he will be ready to play week 1 whether he shows up June 15th or August 15th
I don't think that's it. They have no real clue how the recent signings will pan out. Never do until the bell rings. They know what welker does when the bell rings. Same thing he's been doing for the last 5 seasons. This is just about leverage and the Patriots have never met any they didn't want to exercise.
Curran pretty much nails it.
Pats' leverage on Welker is his love for game
LOL.........yep, that's how you treat 'em
Wes will get a multi-year deal. He'll get 3 or 4 years, and he'll make somewhere between $8 million and $10 million per season. The deal would have been easier to do if the Patriots hadn't decided to sit on their hands while several other other top receivers got big money in their contracts. Unfortunately, the Patriots tend to be penny wise and pound foolish with their top players.
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