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Edit: Due to the highly superstitious bunch here, I ask that you not ban my IP address if the Patriots lose.

Actually, I'm just sick of hearing every talking head say that this game won't be easy and it is a "trap game" for the Patriots. I've heard that for three straight weeks, and this week it's hit its climax. Anyway, I believe the Patriots will win this game pretty easily. This is the NFL, so of course nothing should surprise us, but here are the factors that point to an easy victory, which obviously show a 180 view from a lot of pundits on which team plays well against bad competition, and which team plays badly against good competition:

-Pundits keep saying that Cleveland plays really well against elite teams. This isn't true. They point to last week's win against New Orleans, 2009 win against Pittsburgh, and 2008 win against the Giants. Yes, they knocked off three defending champs, but that is a statistical anomaly. In 2008, the Browns were 1-8 against .500+ teams. Last year, they were also 1-8. This year they are 1-4. I'd hardly call a 3-19 record evidence that the Browns play well against the NFL's blayoff-caliber teams. The three wins are being discussed a lot this week, but the 19 losses are being ignored.

-Meanwhile, the Patriots have fared astronomically well against sub-.500 teams under Belichick, which should be a reason why the "trap game" argument should be hot air by now. My research may be off slightly, but just running down the games from profootballreference, I believe the Pats are 53-4 since 2003 against sub-.500 teams (that's the final record, not at the time of the game.) Three of those losses were to Miami, and the other was the infamous opener in 2003 to Buffalo. You could argue that their incredible consistency in dispatching bad teams is actually the reason for their record-setting streaks and winning pct over the last decade, even more so than beating good ones.

-So you can talk about all the matchups and possibilities, but in the end, I see this as an easy call. In 53 of 57 games, the Pats have taken out the garbage successfully, and they haven't lost to a sub-.500 besides Miami since the first game seven years ago. During all of these 50+ games it's the same story every week: watch out for this guy, Pats will be overconfident, the other team will be playing with nothing to lose, the other team is better than we think, etc. etc. Belichick prepares his team for one game at a time, and he loses extremely rarely when he has a big talent advantage.

Prediction: The Patriots offense might continue to struggle again early on, so I don't expect a 2007-esque woodshed game. However, I expect the Patriots to easily cover the 4 point spread. This game will be ugly, as Belichick/Mangini matchups typically are, with neither coach wanting to look bad. The Browns will play conservatively, and so will the Patriots. Patriots 24, Browns 13.

Major Factors:

-Colt McCoy vs. Tom Brady. Do I need to elaborate? We hear about the Patriots struggles against subpar QBs like AJ Feeley and Ryan Fitzpatrick, but can you really name a lot of these guys that BEAT them? I can think of dozens that failed, even if they played better than expected.

-The Browns number one pass catcher is Ben Watson, who probably would not even make the Patriots roster this year. Need I remind you that the Patriots just contained a team with Adrian Peterson, Percy Harvin, Randy Moss and Visanthe Shiancoe.

-The Browns are 4-5 after their bye sine 2001, and they lost 16-0 last year to Baltimore. This is just a non-factor if anyone thinks it's a major advantage.
 
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You flunk Patriots 101. One game at a time.
 
You flunk Patriots 101. One game at a time.

Huh? I'm not talking about next week here... I'm talking about tomorrow's game. Pats should win easily because they do take it one game at a time. They will be mentally focused, as proven by my argument. They have a clear talent advantage. Anything can happen in the NFL, but if you want my unpopular prediction, that is it.
 
I think Mangini is 4-1 after a bye week and the Pats road record the last two years is something like 5-8, I see them winning by at least a TD though
 
They played KC tough, @ Baltimore tough, Atlanta tough and beat New Orleans. Plus, Belichick has lost to Mangina twice. It's really hard to "easily" beat a team who knows your system very well. I have no reason to believe it will be an "easy" game, especially on the road. I'm hoping for and expecting what Simmons calls a "don't get flashy and grind out an ugly road win" win.
 
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I really hope you have not jinxed this game.
 
I agree.

I hope we're right.
 
Eh, I don't disagree with the OP's intent to balance the oddly high degree of angst in this forum over tomorrow's game. I don't get the fear of the Browns.

Of course, I hypocritically believe that Detroit will be a tough game.
 
Eh, I don't disagree with the OP's intent to balance the oddly high degree of angst in this forum over tomorrow's game. I don't get the fear of the Browns.

Of course, I hypocritically believe that Detroit will be a tough game.

I also think Detroit will be tough.. a win on Thanksgiving against one of the NFL's premier franchises? They'll probably rest their starters for three weeks in advance.
 
I don't think this is a trap game, just that the Browns are a good team.
 
Browns will need a little more on offense than Peyton Hillis. I can't see the Patriots turning the ball over as much as the Browns will require to put up a +20 score that they'll need to win.
 
These are the types of threads i go into our opponents of the week's forum expecting to see, not ours.
 
These are the types of threads i go into our opponents of the week's forum expecting to see, not ours.

Meh, I've been on this board for over four years and this is the first time I've boldly proclaimed a victory, but it's mostly because I just don't understand all of the anxiety. Patriots are better across the board. I don't see Cleveland pulling this one out. And in response to the Browns beating the Saints, well, with the exception of last year, the Saints have regularly been a very inconsistent team.

I don't practice with the team, I don't play on the team, and I don't get paid by the team, so if the Pats do lose the game, I didn't jinx them, they just lost the game. But again, they should win this one. This is the second worst opponent they will play all season, and I'd argue that Buffalo is a bigger threat simply because they see us twice a year (plus that streak has to end sometime.)
 
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I'm not going to bother to read this post.

The Pats offense isn't exactly lights out and the defense can crack at any second.

The Pats are beatable.
 
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I'm not going to bother to read this post.

The Pats offense isn't exactly lights out and the defense can crack at any second.

The Pats are beatable.
Are you some sort of prophet? Every side is beatable. Geez.
 
This Isn't going to be an Easy Game
 
I have said it twice already and I will say it again.

Want to know why the Browns beat the Saints? Because Brees threw 4 ints. That's why.

Tom won't do that.
 
Meh, I've been on this board for over four years and this is the first time I've boldly proclaimed a victory, but it's mostly because I just don't understand all of the anxiety. Patriots are better across the board. I don't see Cleveland pulling this one out. And in response to the Browns beating the Saints, well, with the exception of last year, the Saints have regularly been a very inconsistent team.

I don't practice with the team, I don't play on the team, and I don't get paid by the team, so if the Pats do lose the game, I didn't jinx them, they just lost the game. But again, they should win this one. This is the second worst opponent they will play all season, and I'd argue that Buffalo is a bigger threat simply because they see us twice a year (plus that streak has to end sometime.)

See Super Bowl winners in 2007 and 2001.
 
I'm not going to bother to read this post.

The Pats offense isn't exactly lights out and the defense can crack at any second.

The Pats are beatable.

Why click on the post if you're not going to read it?

Pats offense is not lights out, but the team leads the NFL in scoring. The Browns are 31st out of 32. Not sure where you are going here...

Defense could crack at any second? Of course it could, but do you really think that after playing well enough to WIN against Rivers, the Vikings weapons, Ochocinco and Owens, Marshall and Bess, and some other pretty good offenses, you would expect them to crack against this Ben Watson-led offense?

Yes, the Pats are beatable, just not as beatable as the Browns.
 
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