The Krafts are relentless in their assault on Belichick's coaching.

[venecol]

I see this here from time to time. If you believe the article written by Wil McDonough published the day after the Glenn decision, then you may conclude that this is not correct about Brackens. McDonough reported that Parcells wanted Duane Clemons after the Giants picked Cedric Jones a couple of picks before the Pats’ selection.

Brackens was a DT, he didn’t play the same position as LT. Jones and Clemons were what we now commonly refer to as “Edge” players in the NFL. Brackens was good for a few years for the Jags but was undersized in comparison to the guys Parcells (and BB) typically seemed to like in their systems.

It would have been interesting if the Giants hadn’t picked Jones. Would the Pats have taken him instead of Glenn, then picked a WR in the 2nd round instead of Milloy? Would Parcells have left after that season anyway?

 

[203Pat]

I have not been on Team Bill, but this doesn't sound like fair criticism.

Bill might have been guilty in Spygate, but his reputation took a hit that was not warranted to the crime. Bill grew up in an era where stealing signs was actually considered a smart move. I can imagine how Red Auerbach's tactics would be viewed today.

BB likely did have nothing to do with footballs in any way. He was also likely told by the league that another Spygate event would lead to his own suspension. Sean Payton had recently been suspended for a year over something that he likely knew nothing about. And Bill spent the most of the press conference talking about the natural gas law, how the accusation was bull, while defending the organization and Brady with a detailed amount of research.

I have plenty of complaints about Bill since 2017, but this one is not fair

You don’t think the Mona Lisa Vito impromptu press conference during Super Bowl week was a defense of Brady? Sure seemed that way to me. Still, I guess we’ll hear from Brady himself on the topic soon, maybe he agrees with you.

Bill a few days after the nonsense began: "I think we all know that quarterbacks, kickers, specialists have certain preferences on footballs. They know a lot more about it than I do. They're a lot more sensitive to it than I am," Belichick said on Jan. 22. "Tom's personal preferences on his footballs are something he can take about in much better detail and information than I could possibly provide. I could tell you that in my entire coaching career I have never talked to any player, staff member about football air pressure. That is not a subject that I have ever brought up."

Reports that Brady didn't love Bill's lack of defense either.

THERE HAVE BEEN many moments in recent years when the relationship between Brady and the Patriots had been strained -- in the years following his knee surgery in 2008, when he spent more time in Los Angeles and less in Foxborough, culminating in a "disconnect," as Yahoo Sports reported, in contract talks in June 2010; during Deflategate, when many close to Brady felt that Kraft and Belichick had left him alone to take the fall, even after he had defended the franchise during Spygate and throughout his career. But it all reached a fever pitch in the fall of 2017. The team was defending its fifth Super Bowl, and for the first time, Brady used his platform to advocate a philosophy other than the Patriot Way. He used it to advocate his own business, TB12 Sports, and its accompanying book, "The TB12 Method," which he wrote with the help of his trainer and friend, Alex Guerrero. The issues in the Patriots building caused by The Method -- how it pitted players against the team training staff, how Belichick felt forced to curtail Guerrero's access -- are widely reported and well-known, but the heart of the problem between Brady and Belichick in late 2017 was the same as it was in March 2020: Brady wanted a contract extension.

 

[Zuma]

I just don’t give a crap about any of this drama people are feeding off. Obviously it’s popular but I’m really here for the games. They can’t get here soon enough.

 

[Family]

I disagree that Bill deserves any criticism for his handling of deflationgate, and that he was any less loyal to Tom than the other way during spygate.

Bill's answer was something like you have to ask Tom about blah blah blah.... It's the standard throw away BB press conference answer like "you have to ask the doctor", or "you have to ask the referee". He habitually says this when he wants to avoid a question, he might not even the answer to. It meant nothing except in the conspiracists head because the entire press conference was expertly explaining the natural gas law, which took a lot of time, and as I remember was accurate with a lot of new information for many.

Bill used science to defend everyone and gets criticized for his approach with the media. What is this? Cleveland???

It wasn't Bill's fault that procedure meant more than the science (guilt or innocence). In this case, nothing the organization did short of lawsuit would have been helpful to anyone.

Deserving a discussion about anything other than he was great, is what I disagree with.

Bill a few days after the nonsense began: "I think we all know that quarterbacks, kickers, specialists have certain preferences on footballs. They know a lot more about it than I do. They're a lot more sensitive to it than I am," Belichick said on Jan. 22. "Tom's personal preferences on his footballs are something he can take about in much better detail and information than I could possibly provide. I could tell you that in my entire coaching career I have never talked to any player, staff member about football air pressure. That is not a subject that I have ever brought up."

Reports that Brady didn't love Bill's lack of defense either.

THERE HAVE BEEN many moments in recent years when the relationship between Brady and the Patriots had been strained -- in the years following his knee surgery in 2008, when he spent more time in Los Angeles and less in Foxborough, culminating in a "disconnect," as Yahoo Sports reported, in contract talks in June 2010; during Deflategate, when many close to Brady felt that Kraft and Belichick had left him alone to take the fall, even after he had defended the franchise during Spygate and throughout his career. But it all reached a fever pitch in the fall of 2017. The team was defending its fifth Super Bowl, and for the first time, Brady used his platform to advocate a philosophy other than the Patriot Way. He used it to advocate his own business, TB12 Sports, and its accompanying book, "The TB12 Method," which he wrote with the help of his trainer and friend, Alex Guerrero. The issues in the Patriots building caused by The Method -- how it pitted players against the team training staff, how Belichick felt forced to curtail Guerrero's access -- are widely reported and well-known, but the heart of the problem between Brady and Belichick in late 2017 was the same as it was in March 2020: Brady wanted a contract extension.

So what?

In the end what would more of a defense by Bill would have done anything but brought a long suspension for BB?

Bill introduced the best defense Brady should have needed, scientific reasonable doubt. If Brady thought Bill could have done more, especially looking back on it, he is wrong. What happened was going to happen. Any more interference would have made it worse for the franchise.

Just because Brady was proven more right than wrong about almost everything related to the split up, doesn't mean he was right here. If this report is even true.

 

[VJCPatriot]

It's been weeks and they are still at it.

Draft Marvin Harrison Jr.? Trade down? Why Patriots taking a QB at No. 3 shouldn't be a given

There's no overestimating the pressure for the Patriots to succeed in what owner Robert Kraft called the "most anticipated NFL draft of our tenure."

www.espn.com

We get it. Things ended in acrimony. It's Feb 22nd. More than a month later. You have an entire TV series which you produced highly critical of Belichick. But the drip drip drip is endless. Sabotage!!! Yes, Belichick hated Mac so much he sabotaged him!

Why so offended?

Here's the only part of the article that even references Belichick:

"But high-ranking team officials point to several Belichick decisions over the next two years -- from offensive coaching changes to regrettable personnel moves -- that contributed to sabotaging Jones' development and crushing his confidence."

And that's not an attack on Belichick's coaching. Rather that's an indictment of his failures in decision-making as the Patriots GM which any realist will acknowledge was less than optimal.

But of course there still seems to be a contingent here who will never admit that BB ever made a single mistake in his life.

Point 1. Installing Patricia as the offensive coordinator and Joe Judge as the QB coach was the height of BB's arrogance and utterly failed.

Point 2. BB compounded this by completely neglecting the offense in his last year in both the draft and free agency.

Point 3. On top of that he sabotaged the installment of BOB as OC by not allowing him to select his own offensive staff.

All of the 3 points are true and are criticisms of Bill's decision-making and not his coaching of the defense which was fine. It's everything else that was done badly.

Everyone with a shred of impartiality knows why BB was ultimately let go: 3-14 is not an acceptable outcome for anyone and it wasn't going to get better by keeping him in charge of the grocery shopping.

 

[raduray]

That will be very telling. Do you think they’ll pick it up?

No.

 

[reflexblue]

I haven't read much of this at all, but if i were RK i'd be angry at BB too for convincing me that TB was over the hill and not to sign him. Then watch brady win another SB the next year.

 

[upstater1]

Why so offended?

Here's the only part of the article that even references Belichick:

"But high-ranking team officials point to several Belichick decisions over the next two years -- from offensive coaching changes to regrettable personnel moves -- that contributed to sabotaging Jones' development and crushing his confidence."

And that's not an attack on Belichick's coaching. Rather that's an indictment of his failures in decision-making as the Patriots GM which any realist will acknowledge was less than optimal.

But of course there still seems to be a contingent here who will never admit that BB ever made a single mistake in his life.

Point 1. Installing Patricia as the offensive coordinator and Joe Judge as the QB coach was the height of BB's arrogance and utterly failed.

Point 2. BB compounded this by completely neglecting the offense in his last year in both the draft and free agency.

Point 3. On top of that he sabotaged the installment of BOB as OC by not allowing him to select his own offensive staff.

All of the 3 points are true and are criticisms of Bill's decision-making and not his coaching of the defense which was fine. It's everything else that was done badly.

Everyone with a shred of impartiality knows why BB was ultimately let go: 3-14 is not an acceptable outcome for anyone and it wasn't going to get better by keeping him in charge of the grocery shopping.

How is saying he sabotaged Mac Jones not an attack on Belichick's coaching?

It is.

I disagree with much of what you write here and think it's slanted. But I'm not going to re-litigate it yet again.

The point is, it's been over a mon th and the Krafts are continuing with their hit job.

 

[upstater1]

I haven't read much of this at all, but if i were RK i'd be angry at BB too for convincing me that TB was over the hill and not to sign him. Then watch brady win another SB the next year.

You wouldn't want your coach/personnel guy preparing for that eventuality of a 42 yr old maybe being over the hill?

We heard from Reiss and Curran that Belichick wanted Brady back in 2020.

But it was his job to gauge whether he was losing it. It makes total sense.

And if you were Kraft, why would you be angry? He wasn't going to win in New England. He went to a team with 12 Pro Bowlers.

Patriot fans are unrealistic in the expectation that the Patriots would stay good through to the end of Brady's career. It wasn't going to happen. Teams cycle.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

2 things can be true

1. Mac jones sucks
2. We CANNOT afford to make decisions like bb did in 22 and 23 with our roster and trying to put the new qb in a position to succeed

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

2 things can be true

1. Mac jones sucks
2. We CANNOT afford to make decisions like bb did in 22 and 23 with our roster and trying to put the new qb in a position to succeed

Absolutely correct. Well said.

I keep asking if the coaching staff made Mac fake cry like a baby over a sprained ankle, or if the coaching staff ruined Mac so he cheap shotted other players. Of course the Mac whiners never respond. Mac is a head case, not an NFL player. Saying that, BB's drafts for offensive players were weak, then we signed Bourne, Agholor, Jonnu Smith, and Henry to make up for weak drafts. Henry was good, Bourne never really elevated, and Agholor and Smith flopped. After weak offensive drafting and weak offensive FA signings, it is time to try a different approach.

 

[reflexblue]

You wouldn't want your coach/personnel guy preparing for that eventuality of a 42 yr old maybe being over the hill?

We heard from Reiss and Curran that Belichick wanted Brady back in 2020.

But it was his job to gauge whether he was losing it. It makes total sense.

And if you were Kraft, why would you be angry? He wasn't going to win in New England. He went to a team with 12 Pro Bowlers.

Patriot fans are unrealistic in the expectation that the Patriots would stay good through to the end of Brady's career. It wasn't going to happen. Teams cycle.

Convincing kraft no to sign brady was not preparing for the future. Brady wanted a two year contract, during those two years he could look for the future qb. And the whole thing shows bbs lack of evaluation skills at the end of his career. This being said i really don't give a **** about the whole kraft vs belichick nonsense.

 

[signbabybrady]

Convincing kraft no to sign brady was not preparing for the future. Brady wanted a two year contract, during those two years he could look for the future qb. And the whole thing shows bbs lack of evaluation skills at the end of his career. This being said i really don't give a **** about the whole kraft vs belichick nonsense.

Where did this narrative come to be? As far as I know they were always willing to re-sign Brady. They were offering a 2 year extension and Brady rightfully so didn't like the deal and in order to play out the season he requested a no franchise tag clause which Kraft obliged. They were still offering a two year extension after the season but Brady decided to leave.

 

[signbabybrady]

I mean Brady wanted a new deal for years that would allow him to play to 45 there was no secret about that.

As far as I know we were willing to add 2 years which meant 44.

We should of given him whatever he wanted whenever he wanted it but we didn't and we let it get to his walk year and he decided to play it out and leave.

As to what we could of done to change his mind who knows exactly what that could have been but I don't see how any of this somehow turns into anyone saying he couldn't play.

 

[stardawg]

Why so offended?

Here's the only part of the article that even references Belichick:

"But high-ranking team officials point to several Belichick decisions over the next two years -- from offensive coaching changes to regrettable personnel moves -- that contributed to sabotaging Jones' development and crushing his confidence."

And that's not an attack on Belichick's coaching. Rather that's an indictment of his failures in decision-making as the Patriots GM which any realist will acknowledge was less than optimal.

But of course there still seems to be a contingent here who will never admit that BB ever made a single mistake in his life.

Point 1. Installing Patricia as the offensive coordinator and Joe Judge as the QB coach was the height of BB's arrogance and utterly failed.

Point 2. BB compounded this by completely neglecting the offense in his last year in both the draft and free agency.

Point 3. On top of that he sabotaged the installment of BOB as OC by not allowing him to select his own offensive staff.

All of the 3 points are true and are criticisms of Bill's decision-making and not his coaching of the defense which was fine. It's everything else that was done badly.

Everyone with a shred of impartiality knows why BB was ultimately let go: 3-14 is not an acceptable outcome for anyone and it wasn't going to get better by keeping him in charge of the grocery shopping.

Spot on, but I don't know why we're still discussing this. You'll never convince the IBWT guys that Bill deserved to be **** canned. Let's move on!

 

[Zuma]

Listen up weirdos...BB is gone. Whether you are pro-Brady or BB it doesn't matter. Take your issues elsewhere. Time to move on to 2024.

 

[upstater1]

Convincing kraft no to sign brady was not preparing for the future. Brady wanted a two year contract, during those two years he could look for the future qb. And the whole thing shows bbs lack of evaluation skills at the end of his career. This being said i really don't give a **** about the whole kraft vs belichick nonsense.

First off, you don't know what the evaluation was since multiple reporters say Belichick expected Brady back. But the team needed to move forward. Having Brady would do nothing for them. Especially a 2 yr deal. Kraft is delusional.

 

[venecol]

First off, you don't know what the evaluation was since multiple reporters say Belichick expected Brady back. But the team needed to move forward. Having Brady would do nothing for them. Especially a 2 yr deal. Kraft is delusional.

Team moved forward alright, driven by Bill straight into a ditch.

 

[Zuma]

"Yes BB ****ed up."
"But but but BB ****ed up!"

 

[venecol]

"Yes BB ****ed up."
"But but but BB ****ed up!"

I know, I know. Tell your boy upstater to give it up. He's spent the last month ****-posting every thread w/ BS about how Bill wasn't responsible for anything that went wrong, and how the Krafts are responsible for every calamity and bad decision since 2019. I can't let his lies go unchallenged. Lol