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  1. JDSal45

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    I loved reading the Jets board prior to the Pats mauling them. They were all delusional about "the aging Pats defense." Lets compare ages of the starters on defense this season:



    Jets: Shaun Ellis (31); Kris Jenkins (29); Kenyon Coleman (29); Bryan Thomas (29); Eric Barton (31); Calvin Pace (27); David Harris (24); Darrell Revis (23); Dwight Lowery (22); Eric Smith (25); Kerry Rhodes (26) AVERAGE AGE: 27

    Patriots: Ty Warren (27); Vince Wilfork (26); Richard Seymour (28); Mike Vrabel (33); Jerod Mayo (22); Tedy Bruschi (35); Adalius Thomas (31); Deltha O'Neal (31); Ellis Hobbs (25); Rodney Harrison (35); James Sanders (24) AVERAGE AGE: 28

    WOW, a difference of one year. Does that means the Jets fans acknowledge their defense will be old next season?

    Just silliness. Its about performance and the Pats defense has always been better than the Jets in the Belichick era. That won't end, even if the Pats have one whole extra year in average age.

    J D Sal
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    Didn't they have to give up a couple of draft picks for Kris Jenkins?

    Word out of Carolina was that he ended up quiting on them in his last year there. I remember reading on the Panthers MB last year how he "sent in his 2 weeks pink slip" at the end.
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    It's one of those things (old defense) that has been repeated so often that everybody (outside of New England) assumes it is true. You wouldn't have to look far to find another team's fan that will repeat that same line that also thinks Seau is still starting and has no idea that Mayo is on the team and playing now.
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    I just hope this is a mantra that keeps getting repeated throughout the season. I've already said that I think this defense can be special, and if you add in the fact that for each of the older guys (Rodney, Bruschi, Sanders, Vrabel etc.) there are young guys like Woods, Crabel and Meriweather that can get rotated in for them and may even end up starting at some point. It's hilarious to think that all of these idiots will have such high expectations for their offenses playing the Pats defense only to turn on the t.v. Sunday and see a bunch of quick, young Pats defenders schooling them. The average IQ of he NFL fan never ceases to amaze me.
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    =================================================
    Jenkins, Faneca, Woody, Pace, Richardson Were all sighned as FAs for truckloads of money.

    Favre will cost the Jets a pick, probably a 2nd, maybe a first if the Jets go to the SB.
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    The Jets traded for Jenkins. Forget what they gave up, something like a 3rd rounder, but they definitely traded for him and he wasn't a FA. Then after trading for him, they ripped up his deal and signed him to a new big deal.
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    Jenkins cost the R-A-T-S a 3rd and a 5th
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    Wildo7 Totally Full of It

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    didn't they give up a 3rd and a 5th for him? add on the 2nd for Lord Favre and the Jets have almost no draft picks left:D
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    With the R-A-T-S giving up all these picks in next years draft for instant average status this year, its nice to see them beginning to mortage their future.
    Their idiotic management is desperate and when the new regime that comes in after their GM and coach are fired this year, all we'll be hearing about is how the old regime left the draft table bare with so few picks.
    Excellent!
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    I wish Vrabel and Harrison get a constant feed of all this 'old' defense. :D
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    Agreed that the "aging" line has been overused. It's comes down to a couple of high-profile guys--Bruschi, Harrison--getting a little long in the tooth, and maybe a little lack of speed translates into "old" for people who don't think much.

    But this defense should be terrific. Last year, the team flirted with the lowest points against for the league until the last couple of weeks, and this year you see Mayo, Merriweather improving, Seymour back, Thomas comfortable, etc. etc., with the supposed drop in the secondary more than offset by the new guys, Hobbs getting another year experience, and Capers coaching. Watch out.
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    More likely a third.
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    about Jets defense...
    gholston is the only pick of first ten to no start?
    was he a real need or they thought Pats wanted him?
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    It was a 3rd and 5th from last years draft. Also a 2nd means we made the playoffs. We probably getting a 3rd for the upcoming draft for Vilma,
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    Well, it won't be a second, not with barely a 500 record. I wouldn't be surprised if there is talk about benching Bret before too much longer. Meanwhile, Chad puts up pretty good numbers.
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    The Jets are truly the one team, in any sport mind you, that I absolutely love to hate.
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    While I love the demise of the Rats lets relax a lil bit its week 2. You sound foolish when you say after 2 weeks they are folding up the beds and turning out the lights. He is washed up and old but he still has talent and can beat the lesser teams on the schedule with guile alone. The Jets D impressed me with their corners and safties. There line could be solid with Jenkins. Where the problem lies is in their O-line. Dbrick is a DDudd and Woody looks lost at RT he needs to be inside. they cant give Farve enough time to actually run the plays so he breaks off and improvises which causes problems. their D will keep them in games but their O wont score enough points to hang with the good teams
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    Why would we ever bench Brett and for who? Pennington was benched for Henne already. Pennington has played average.
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    #15 Jersey

    Don't want to hi-jack this thread, but come back next week when there will be postings on over the hill qb's named Brett.
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    This upcoming draft the Jets will probably get a 2nd or 3rd for Vilma. They already have the Redskins 4th round pick for Kendall. They will be giving up a pick for Farve which is undetermined. If Farve retires after one year they get a late round pick from the Packers the following year. The Jets drafted Revis, Rhodes, Lowery, Harris and Gholston. They signed Pace and traded for Jenkins. They are not an old defense and they did not mortgage their future.

    The Pats defense is not old at all. Bruschi Vrabel and Harrison are up in age but thats about it. Wilfork, Seymour, Warren, Green, Mayo, Thomas etc... are all young in just reaching their prime.

    Both teams are going to have very good defense going forward.
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    I think the ire of Jets fans is directed towards the coaching staff taking off the shackles as opposed to Favre being washed up. I know personally thats where I stand. Let Brett sling it 30 plus times, take the good with the bad and let him go out and have a bigger impact on the outcome of the game. I have no problem with the sink or swim by Brett motto.
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    I think most can agree with what you said. I think the only way the Jets reach very good is if Gholston can at least become a dependable pass rusher or if Bryan Thomas keeps showing that he wants to play to his contract.
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    I suspect that the average age of the Pats defense goes down further if measured by snap, particularly with Meriweather in for Bruschi on third downs.

    Snap counts from Reiss' blog today would skew the Defense age lower.

    Patriots blog - Reiss' Pieces - Boston.com
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    The Yankees carry that burden for me.

    I would despise the Jets a little less of va- sorry, MANgina were to get fired.
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    Keep rooting for that for the Jets. It's possible.

    Thing is, the Pats ALREADY have a very good defense.

    I just wonder if Chad would have looked better with all the changes. He might have been able to score you equal in wins what Brett does.

    I hope you go 8-8 and that keeps everyone happy enough to keep the staff together. That way when Tommy comes back we can see the Tom P vs. Brett J show I was so excited about this year. :(
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    Sal,
    Check your math as it's closer to two years than one ( not that it makes THAT much difference)
    add up the total ages on the Jets and it's 296 yrs for 11 players. Add up the Pats and it's 317 years for the starting 11. That's a difference of 21 years for 11 players or nearly 2 years per player. Not great but not as small as one year...... 28.8 Average age of Pats. v 26.9 Jets


    *****2000th post......self-congratulation as this one is better than the usual drivel.
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