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I was really referring to yardage per attempt though.
Ah, ok! I totally agree then. In your post it seemed that the "THAT'S HUGE!!" was about yardage per game.
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He crapped the bed against the Seahawks, and crapped badly.
Every offense is different. Some offenses are not quick strike. Some encourage a more methodical, high-percentage,approach.....like the Patriots.
This is true, but I don't think it would be fair to award less points to Brady if he throws a 30-yard TD strike than if he completes a pass to the 20, another to the 10, and then throws the TD. In my mind, yardage is yardage unless the clock is a factor.
I do like your system BTW. Encompasses most of what I see as important QB measures.
QB rating like all stats is imperfect but i think it is a very good stat and overall very accurate provided offensive weapons are equal in determining who tend to be the best QBs.
The main issue for Brady being lower than Rodgers is the Patriots run it in more often from the goal line than GB. I agree it is kind of unfair but I think it is right to measure a QBs ability to punch it in so to speak as that is an important skill set and some guys are better at it then others.
If Rodgers ends up with the better QB rating at the end of the year cause of that I won't care. Brady just needs to keep doing what he is doing.
Edit:
If you wanna cut hairs though.
Pats have 39.7 PPG
GB has 28.3 PPG
Pats have 9 passing TDs 5 rushing in 3 games
GB has 11 passing TDs 2 rushing in 4 games
Give me the Pats offense.
It really isn't the issue though. Brady is throwing more TDs per game. So running it in has nothing to do with the discrepancy.
Sort of like baseball's earned run average where the pitcher isn't punished for errors behind him.....I feel there should be separate (no fault) Interception stat for quarterbacks where the receiver was at fault (hit in the chest etc)
Who knows, maybe one for Missed Interceptions where the DB drops a catchable interception.
I certainly think it does. Same Ints - 0 about the same completion %, about the same YPA, the difference in their rating comes down to TD/pass. Brady and Rodger have thrown near the same number of passes on the season (though Brady has played in one less game).
If they Pats run in 2 times like GB did and pass 3 more times then their state line would be near identical.
Keep in mind QB rating is about TDs/pass not TDs/game.
Well each has advantages and disadvantages.
Quick strike in theory is better because you give yourself less chance to make a mistake (penalty/fumble/int) if you go 80 yards in 5 or 6 plays as oppose to 10 or 12.
However the down side is that a quick strike offense has plays which take longer so blocking needs to hold up even assuming you can make the throws.
Also a quick strike offense is better for coming back at the last second. Ideally you want to be able to be both methodical and quick strike as it allows you to manage the clock (note TOP and managing the clock are 2 different things). It is nice when you can set things up to get the last possession of the 2nd half or score quickly if behind or score slowly if ahead.
So I looked at the QB stats this morning:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/passingYards/year/2015/seasontype/2
Couldn't figure out how Aaron Rodgers has a higher rating.
Brady is at 9 TDs and Rodgers at 11 TDs with one more game. About even (in terms of TDs per game). If anything, Brady is a bit better at 3 TDs per game.
Comp. % is about even with AR at 72.4% and TB at 72.2%. And this is even with Brady throwing a much higher volume.
Brady is at 8.36 YPA while AR is at 8.06. Brady is much better here.
But where Brady really excels is his 371 YPG to ARs 249.
THAT'S HUGE!
Whatever QB rating is supposed to measure (efficiency I suppose) it really fails to tell us anything at all.
No need to explain away Brady's stats since he has better stats. Has Rodgers had his first comeback victory down 9 points yet? Or he he still 0-22. Even **** QBs manage to make a comeback by accident once in a while.Aaron Rodgers is saddled by Mike McCarthy, possible the stupidest coach in the NFL, who barely lets him pass. Rodgers has 123 to Brady's 133 attempts this season and has played one more game.
I could see an argument that says Brady has been as good as Rodgers so far this season, but in general, Rodgers crushes Brady in every reasonable metric.
Also, I think that the rating systems are flawed but the simple fact is that Rodgers has been a more effective QB over the course of his career with an ANY/A of 7.79 to Brady's 6.99. And if you think your eyetest of watching Brady every single week and watching Rodgers ~sometimes is a more reliable, less biased approach then lol at you.
Also feel free to critique ANY/A if you can rather than just giving emotional responses or Deus-esque one-liners, it basically just tells you who does better when asked to throw:
"ANY/A. adjusted net yards per passing attempt: (pass yards + 20*(pass TD) - 45*(interceptions thrown) - sack yards)/(passing attempts + sacks). Note that we are now using 20 yards per TD instead of 10, because of research by Chase Stuart at the p-f-r blog."
People here always want to (rightfully) trumpet Belichick as the best coach ever and then explain away Brady's statistical shortcomings to Manning and Rodgers with team accomplishments and bah humbug eyetest over stats comments, but it's not really a reasonable debate except on First Take or whatever
No need to explain away Brady's stats since he has better stats. Has Rodgers had his first comeback victory down 9 points yet? Or he he still 0-22. Even **** QBs manage to make a comeback by accident once in a while.
Aaron Rodgers is saddled by Mike McCarthy, possible the stupidest coach in the NFL, who barely lets him pass. Rodgers has 123 to Brady's 133 attempts this season and has played one more game.
I could see an argument that says Brady has been as good as Rodgers so far this season, but in general, Rodgers crushes Brady in every reasonable metric.
Also, I think that the rating systems are flawed but the simple fact is that Rodgers has been a more effective QB over the course of his career with an ANY/A of 7.79 to Brady's 6.99. And if you think your eyetest of watching Brady every single week and watching Rodgers ~sometimes is a more reliable, less biased approach then lol at you.
Also feel free to critique ANY/A if you can rather than just giving emotional responses or Deus-esque one-liners, it basically just tells you who does better when asked to throw:
"ANY/A. adjusted net yards per passing attempt: (pass yards + 20*(pass TD) - 45*(interceptions thrown) - sack yards)/(passing attempts + sacks). Note that we are now using 20 yards per TD instead of 10, because of research by Chase Stuart at the p-f-r blog."
People here always want to (rightfully) trumpet Belichick as the best coach ever and then explain away Brady's statistical shortcomings to Manning and Rodgers with team accomplishments and bah humbug eyetest over stats comments, but it's not really a reasonable debate except on First Take or whatever
Since the point of playing, throwing passes, and getting yards is to win it is a pretty important metric. A ten point come from behind is what won the SB.Ok, so you went right to team accomplishments anyway.
Here we can conclude that either:
a) Rodgers is not even a **** QB
or
b) "comeback victories down 9 points" is not a particularly useful metric by which to evaluate QBs
what a puzzle!
QB rating like all stats is imperfect but i think it is a very good stat and overall very accurate provided offensive weapons are equal in determining who tend to be the best QBs.
The main issue for Brady being lower than Rodgers is the Patriots run it in more often from the goal line than GB. I agree it is kind of unfair but I think it is right to measure a QBs ability to punch it in so to speak as that is an important skill set and some guys are better at it then others.
If Rodgers ends up with the better QB rating at the end of the year cause of that I won't care. Brady just needs to keep doing what he is doing.
Edit:
If you wanna cut hairs though.
Pats have 39.7 PPG
GB has 28.3 PPG
Pats have 9 passing TDs 5 rushing in 3 games
GB has 11 passing TDs 2 rushing in 4 games
Give me the Pats offense.
Good point, Aaron Rodgers not getting his team in the red zone proves he's better.Of course this is useless without looking at attempts:
Redzone attempts:
GB: 16 Rushing, 20 Pass
NE: 22 Rushing, 24 Pass
Inside the 10:
GB: 7 Rushing, 14 Pass
NE: 13 Rushing, 16 Pass
Even with the extra game Rodgers has had less TD opportunities and has done more with them than Brady.