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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.There's not enough discussion here about what BB and the coaches could do to find ways to get their DB's to succeed. One draft pick/FA after another has flashed a bit then languished only to fade away altogether. To think it's all been due to poor talent is slightly absurd. I don't care if none of the guys the Pats dumped went on to do very well elsewhere - plenty of former players have said that once a player anything short of superstar (and even some of them) is ruined by repeated demoralization they usually disappear. But that doesn't mean they weren't talented and it doesn't mean the coaching didn't screw them up so bad they never found their natural ability again, nor ever figured out how to incorporate that native talent into what they were being taught in the NFL. This secondary thing has been so consistently bad for the Pats - 5 years and counting right? - that BB surely bears a part of their failure AFTER they have arrived. Even a blind squireel finds a nut once in while, I just don't believe all the duds BB has drafted have bombed because they never had what it takes.
as good as those guys are, I'm not sure they would help at this point.
the pats have what they have
I am going to be as optimistic as possible and say the one play that gave the seahawks the lead was at the hand of 2 rookies can be addressed, but I am not sure the current DB coach is the guy to address it
the pats need to bring in someone who can help this unit.....there's some decent individual talent there......but Boyer appears to simply be lost
I'm not saying mangini is the answer, but there appears to be a need, it would be a reall warm ending by having a kiss and make up moment.....true hallmark
Trades sound nice and all, but they rarely happen in the NFL during the season. We're stuck with what we've got. Hopefully BB can make lemonade!!
I keep hearing about these mythical "flash" guys. Other than the well-documented struggles of McCourty, who are these "flash" guys?
Wheatley - no
Wilhite - no
Butler - no
Dowling - no
Chung - no
Sanders - no
Meriweather - no
Hobbs - no
Samuel - no
On the other hand, guys like Gay and Arrington have come in as UDFA signings who worked out and developed, and converts like Brown and Edelman have also achieved a level of success.
Of the more recent guys, I think both Dowling and Chung "flashed". Especially Dowling.. Last year he looked real good through camp. He looked good enough to earn a starting spot and at least IMO played well during his first start. After that he got hurt. Since then, he looks like he couldn't cover me. Not 100%? Loss of confidence? I don't know, but something is definitely wrong.
Similarly, I actually thought Butler looked good his first camp. Then he got toasted and that was it for him. I thought it was his confidence being shot, but even a change of scenery didn't help. Who knows? He certainly regressed the longer he was with the Pats.
Hopefully Chung and Dowling don't continue down the same path.
This year is supposed to be a great year for safeties. That's something the Patriots should definitely look at in the draft. Brent Grimes would have been a CB to look at in free agency, but his Achilles injury will certainly warrant a very cautious approach.
Just my $.02
Dowling played 2 games before going on the shelf. He didn't have time to flash. He was also beating out a bunch of stiffs for the starting job. Even giving his "flash" the benefit of the doubt, we're looking at an oft-injured guy who had season ending hip surgery. Given the importance of healthy hips to a defensive back, and assuming that injury is part of what's holding him bac to this point, it's possible that he may never really recover.
Butler was bad from the beginning.
Chung has been the same player (good tackler, lousy cover guy, oft-injured) from the start.
This year is supposed to be a great year for safeties. That's something the Patriots should definitely look at in the draft. Brent Grimes would have been a CB to look at in free agency, but his Achilles injury will certainly warrant a very cautious approach.
Just my $.02
that's assuming some probowler would even want to come here to be subjected to having Boyer run his "I will turn you into Chris Canty" mad science experiments
As I stated about both Dowling and especially Butler, I thought I remembered them having strong camps. The few practices I saw led me to believe they would both be productive. Since they both earned starting positions during their rookie years, apparently I wasn't the only one.
Darius Butler Should Rebound For Increased Role in Patriots' Secondary in 2011 - New England Patriots - NESN.com
Mike Reiss predicts where the New England Patriots' youngest players could be put on the roster - ESPN Boston
Blame for Patriots Secondary Struggles Start at the Top | NEPatriotsDraft.com - 2013 NFL Draft
What players do in camp is meaningless in the grand scheme, though. What they do when the games count is what matters.