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    I'm reading the article by John Clayton explaining every teams cap situation going into the offseason and he mentions some players that may get cut. These players include:

    WR Brandon Llyod
    WR David Patton
    WR Justin McCareins
    WR Joe Horn
    CB Fred Smoot
    WR Marty Booker
    OG Damien Woody
    CB Ken Lucas
    ILB Ed Hartwell

    Any one of these guys would be worth looking into? What do you guys think?
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    I know we always have to wait and see the price tags these gentlemen come with... but wouldn't mind seeing a Joe Horn in town (with strict instructions to leave his cell phone in the locker room before games.) I have no clue whether the "recently supplanted" kind of talent like him can be bargain pickups, or whether he would be like "I'm Joe Horn, B****!"

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    Whoa whoa whoa whoa Ed Hartwell? Add him into my list of LBs from which to pick 2.

    Okay, "Reload Euphoria" just hit me... I am minutes away from suggesting we spend 20M above the cap. Man... seven months...

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    Yeah, he would be a good choice. But doesn't he get injured a lot? Hartwell would be a risk as well.
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    you realize hes only played 13 games out of the last 32 possible?

    he needs to get healthy for once..if he can i would take him but its a risk

    same with Morgan..hes got concussion problems and other injuries each yr
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    Hartwell, Patten, Smoot.

    Hartwell is a refugee from the Ravens 3-4, and is an ILB that we so desperately want/need.

    Patten knows the offense, instant #3/4 WR plugin with Troy Brown.

    Smoot has had trouble with the Vikings man-to-man defensive scheme, but did very well in Washington when he was provided with help. Worth a look, especially with the Samuel situation.

    However, as this is John Clayton we are talking about, and as several as these players were on last year's certain cut list, I'd have to say this smells like bull****. I'd be surprised if he bats higher than .200 on these predictions.
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    I hope you didn't mean David Patten. There is no way he will make this team!
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    Ken Lucas is very good too. Alot of these guys have injury knocks (Morgan's career is probably over, he's had too many concussions). Booker played well in a #2/3 role with the Dolphins last year, too. Smoot's struggled, though he was a good #2 CB at one point.
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    I think Lucas will be too expensive, if he comes free at all. He's had some monster years down there in Carolina, very highly regarded. Smoot, not so much.
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    morgan might not even play in the nfl any more after suffering multiple concussions. he didnt play this year and may not be allowed to play for the rest of his career
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    what about Givens? you think he'll be cut?
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    Will the Titans think he is worth the money, especially when they have all those drafted WRs above him?

    That's the question.
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    I wouldn't be suprised either if he were cut.
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    i would..they still expect a lot from him..they invested money. you dont back down because he has a knee injury..especially when Bennett probably wont be back and Wade is an FA
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    Year Team G Total Tkl Ast Sacks Int Yds Avg Lg TD Pass Def
    2001 Seattle Seahawks 16 48 44.0 4 0 1 0 0.0 0 0 14
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    this year he was hampered by injuries..Marshall played pretty well for rookie and Lucas might get cut because he has the highest cap of the DBs and they are considering anyone go really besides Peppers/Smith/Williams right now.
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    id take a shot on hartwell
    and def joe horn

    as for the question of givens being cut
    i dont see it
    not after only signing one yr ago, think of the cap implications
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    you guys realize horn is 34 years old? 2 seasons of injuries(didnt miss huge amount of games but couldnt play at high level
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    how much do they stand to lose if they release him? how much of a cap hit? and what was his signing bonus?

    can't see them cutting him
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    In the wake of Ted Johnson's complaints about the Pats and their treatment of him, the last thing they would do is sign a guy with a history of concussion problems...
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    The guys that I would want the Pats to go after would be in no particular order:

    1. Maybe Llyod. Showed potential with the 9ers with crappy QB's, didn't do much in Washington because there were more crappy QB's.
    2. Horn for sure; yes he is 35 but his stats speak for themselves before injury. 37-679-4 td's and 18+ yard per reception. I'm sure he can still play at a very high level. Could even keep Chad Jackson in check? Maybe teach him a few things?
    3. Marty Booker is very underrated and always gave the Pats a hard time. He is a big, strong, physical receiver that runs good routes and has solid hands.
    4. CB Ken Lucas. Great cover corner, big, strong, physical type that likes to jam recievers at the line. Something the Pats need. Would be a solid pickup for sure.
    5. David Patten. Would love to see David end his career with the team that he had the most success with. I'm sure Tom Brady would be happy to re-unite with him.
    5. Damien Woody. Someone needs to push Stephen Neal. He is the weak link on the line. Woody might be able to push him. Woody is a good run blocker. Something the Pats need.
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    Why do people want Patten back? He's led the team in 2004 in Drops and was basically benched going into the play-offs. It was OBVIOUS he wasn't coming back.
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    I'd be very surprised if Ken Lucas was let go. When they signed him in 2005, it was to a 6 year deal with a 13 million signing bonus. That leaves 8.7 million in signing bonus amortization they'd have to eat if they let him go. I don't see that happening when they are already over the 109 million cap and still have to eat Peppers 3 million NLTBE bonus this year.

    Atlanta is in the same boat with Hartwell. His deal was a 6 year/26.25 million deal. His signing bonus was $ 8 million, but the contract was guaranteed.
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    1) Lloyd - was just signed LAST YEAR by the Redskins to a 5 year/$25 million deal with a 10 million signing bonus. That means they'd have to eat 8 million in cap hits. Not gonna happen

    2) Horn - *shrug* He's been injured the last 2 years.

    3) Booker - 6'0 210 lbs. Wouldn't exactly call him big and physical. He's quick, for sure. Got decent hands.

    4) Ken Lucas - Has 8.7 million in SB money remaining on his contract. I don't see the Panthers eating that.

    5) Patten - Guy got benched and basically was a non-factor during the home stretch and play-offs in 2004. Its why he was let go. Wouldn't make this team

    6) Woody - The only way Damion Woody would push Neal is if Woody was trying to get to the food line. The Patriots were more than happy to let Detroit over-pay for the over-weight center turned guard. He's also injury prone.
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    Morgan is likely one more concussion from retirement
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