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    Overrated-underrated: Porter, Warren on opposite ends

    Pete Prisco May 31, 2007
    By Pete Prisco
    CBS SportsLine.com Senior Writer



    A certain magazine known for a cover jinx put Joey Porter on its cover last year and called him the NFL's meanest man. Agree or disagree its got a little bit of everything for everyone...

    This would have been a better description: The NFL's most overrated player.

    Porter signed a five-year, $32 million deal with the Miami Dolphins this spring as an unrestricted free agent. The Dolphins think he can be a pass-rush force, adding to an already talented defense.

    Many personnel people and coaches I talked to think they're getting something else, which is a player who has more bark than bite.

    Porter had seven sacks last season, but six of those came in three games, two in each of those games. That means in the other 11 games he played -- he missed two for injuries -- he had one sack.

    "What's even more alarming about that," said an AFC personnel director, "is that he played a 3-4 outside linebacker. Those players are expected to get double-digits sacks at the least."

    Porter turned 30 in March, which is even more reason for concern. Add it all up, and it's why he's the pick as my most overrated player in the NFL, which is something I've picked each of the past four years.

    This isn't to pile on Porter, who was fined $1,000 this week for his role in a fight with Cincinnati Bengals tackle Levi Jones in a Las Vegas casino. Porter could still face sanctions from the league for that incident.

    The flip side of an overrated player is the league's most underrated player.

    So who's that lucky player?

    It's New England defensive end Ty Warren. In his fourth season in 2006, Warren had 7½ sacks and 84 tackles. It was his breakout season, and one that some said should have landed him in Hawaii for the Pro Bowl.

    The problem is that Warren plays opposite Richard Seymour, who is one of the best defensive linemen in the league. Seymour gets most of the attention, which is why Warren doesn't.

    But keep an eye on Warren this season. He might be ready to join Seymour in Hawaii.

    Here are the underrated and overrated players for each of the league's 32 teams.

    Arizona Cardinals

    Overrated: RB Edgerrin James.
    Yes, he played behind a bad line last year when he struggled. But that's not the whole reason for his 3.2 average.

    Underrated: LB Gerald Hayes.
    Now that Adrian Wilson has finally gone to the Pro Bowl, it's Hayes who gets the slot here. He was a force in the middle as a 4-3 middle linebacker, and should be just as good in the Cardinals' 3-4 defense.

    Atlanta Falcons

    Overrated: QB Michael Vick.
    Until he becomes a better pocket passer, he's always going to be in this spot. It can still happen for him, but it takes work. This is a huge year for him on the field -- if he stays there.

    Underrated: DT Grady Jackson.
    Say all you want about his weight -- and he sure is big -- but he knows how to clog things up against the run. He does have to get healthy again.

    Baltimore Ravens

    Overrated: RB Willis McGahee.
    Blame the Bills line all you want, but this guy just hasn't performed like a star back.

    Underrated: NT Kelly Gregg.
    He is a short keg-like body in the middle of the defense who helps keep the linebackers clean to flow to the football. He does the dirty work inside.

    Buffalo Bills

    Overrated: RT Langston Walker.
    It's hard to find one on this young team, but since they paid him money as a free agent he's the pick.

    Underrated: LT Jason Peters.
    He's close to being a Pro Bowl player. This converted tight end has a ton of potential.

    Carolina Panthers

    Overrated: MLB Dan Morgan.
    The tools are there, but he can't stay on the field. That puts him in this category.

    Underrated: QB David Carr.
    He will take over as the team's starting quarterback at some point and show the Houston Texans they made a big mistake.

    Chicago Bears

    Overrated: S Adam Archuleta.
    He's never been effective as a cover player. He's basically a glorified linebacker. Watch teams attack him in pass coverage.

    Underrated: DT Tank Johnson.
    Off-the-field problems aside, Johnson is a heck of a player when he's on the field. The Bears need him in the worst way.

    Cincinnati Bengals

    Overrated: CB Deltha O'Neal.
    He went to the Pro Bowl in 2005, but didn't come close to getting there a year ago. He could be pushed for his starting job now.

    Underrated: DE Robert Geathers.
    He is a situational pass rusher with speed off the corner. That's why the Bengals made re-signing him a priority.

    Cleveland Browns

    Overrated: OLB Willie McGinest.
    He doesn't have much left and that started to show up last season after the Browns paid him big money as a free agent.

    Underrated: S Sean Jones.
    He emerged as a top-notch safety last season, showing why the Browns drafted him in the second round in 2004. He had 111 tackles and five interceptions.

    Dallas Cowboys

    Overrated: QB Tony Romo.
    It's way too early to put him as a top 10 quarterback, which some have done. He sure didn't look like it at the end of last season.

    Underrated: CB Terence Newman.
    His not going to the Pro Bowl last year was a crime. He is a top-notch cover corner.

    Denver Broncos

    Overrated: DT Gerard Warren.
    In fairness to Warren, he played with dislocated toes last season. But he still didn't play like he did in 2005. Of course, John Lynch could fill this spot every year.

    Underrated: LG Ben Hamilton.
    He has taken over as the team's best offensive lineman. He's a tough, physical player whose best football is still ahead of him.

    Detroit Lions

    Overrated: G Damien Woody. He hasn't played well since signing with the Lions as a free agent and now he might go to the bench.

    Underrated: QB Jon Kitna.
    Maybe he's not the long-term answer, but he got the job done last season for Mike Martz. He knows where to go with the football.

    Green Bay Packers

    Overrated: TE Bubba Franks.
    His career has gone down the toilet in a hurry. This former first-round pick is now fighting for a job.

    Underrated: DE Cullen Jenkins.
    His emergence as a defensive end will allow the Packers to make Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila a situational pass rusher.

    Houston Texans

    Overrated: RB Ahman Green.
    In his last 34 starts, Green has nine rushes of 20 yards or more. In 2003, he had 15 alone. The Texans paid him way too much money at his age.

    Underrated: CB Dunta Robinson.
    His silky smooth cover skills get lost because the defense has struggled at times.

    Indianapolis Colts

    Overrated: DT Anthony McFarland.
    It was tough finding an overrated player on this team, but McFarland might be it. He did nothing during the regular season, but did show up in the playoffs. Maybe that says something about why he's here.

    Underrated: TE Dallas Clark.
    His versatility is so key to the Colts offense. He can flex out like a receiver and create match-up problems.

    Jacksonville Jaguars

    Overrated: DE Paul Spicer.
    The team talks up his effort, but what does he really do? He needs to be replaced.

    Underrated: DT John Henderson.
    For whatever reason, he doesn't get the due he deserves. Maybe it's because he plays next to Marcus Stroud.

    Kansas City Chiefs

    Overrated: CB Ty Law. He's living off the past. He has slowed down and it shows. Even in the Chiefs' Cover-2 defense, that shows up.

    Underrated: DE Jared Allen.
    If he can stay clear of off-the-field problems, he will cash in big next year as a free agent.

    Miami Dolphins

    Overrated: LB Joey Porter.
    And it isn't even close. Why they paid him all that money is a great mystery.

    Underrated: S Yeremiah Bell.
    When he was inserted into the starting lineup in the sixth game last season, the defense became better. He's a good, solid tackler.

    Minnesota Vikings

    Overrated: LT Bryant McKinnie.
    He gives up too many sacks. He's never lived up to the hype as a first-round pick.

    Underrated: LB E.J. Henderson.
    He had his best season last year and now moves back from the outside to the middle. He struggled as a middle backer earlier in his career, but he's better suited for it now.

    New England Patriots

    Overrated: LB Tedy Bruschi.
    He has slowed down, and that showed up in a big way in the playoff loss to the Colts. He doesn't have it anymore, and is living on his reputation.

    Underrated: DE Ty Warren.
    Keep a close eye on him. His Pro Bowl time is coming.

    New Orleans Saints

    Overrated: CB Mike McKenzie.
    When he wants to be good, he's good. But he has too many lapses to be an elite player.

    Underrated: G Jahri Evans.
    As a rookie, he didn't give up a sack. That's high marks for a young lineman.

    New York Giants

    Overrated: CB Sam Madison.
    Once upon a time he was a great man cover corner. You'd never know it now.

    Underrated: DT Fred Robbins.
    He started all 16 games, getting 62 tackles and 5½ sacks. He's a good, steady player who doesn't get much due.

    New York Jets

    Overrated: QB Chad Pennington. Can he be a Super Bowl quarterback? I doubt it. He threw 17 touchdowns and 16 interceptions. He's just okay.

    Underrated: S Kerry Rhodes.
    Much like Adrian Wilson of the Cardinals, his time in the spotlight will eventually come. He's too good a player for that not to happen.

    Oakland Raiders

    Overrated: RB Dominic Rhodes.
    Yes, he had a nice Super Bowl. And he did nicely splitting time with Joseph Addai. But that's all he is, a spot player.

    Underrated: CB Nnamdi Asomugha.
    This kid has developed into one of the best cover corners in the league. He was a Pro Bowl snub last year.


    Continued...
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    Re: Prisco: Porter most overrated, Warren most underrated player

    Philadelphia Eagles

    Overrated: MLB Jeremiah Trotter.
    He doesn't get to the football, and it shows in the run defense. His best days are long behind him.

    Underrated: C Jamaal Jackson.
    Playing on the best line in the league, he doesn't get the Pro Bowl attention. But it could come this year,

    Pittsburgh Steelers

    Overrated: G Alan Faneca.
    He's a nice run blocker, but he struggles in pass protection. The Steelers will make the wise move not paying him a new deal.

    Underrated: DE Brett Keisel.
    He always seems to be around the quarterback. This year, the Steelers plan to use some special defenses where he will line up as rover.

    St. Louis Rams

    Overrated: TE Randy McMichael.
    He's OK, but he's not nearly as good as his reputation. Miami wouldn't have let him go if he was.

    Underrated: CB Fakhir Brown.
    Defensive coordinator Jim Haslett had him in New Orleans and wanted him in St. Louis. Brown is a much better corner than he's given credit for being.

    San Diego Chargers

    Overrated: QB Philip Rivers.
    This being nitpicky because I really like Rivers. But I've seen him ranked as a top five quarterback already. That's a bit quick. He can get there this season, but not yet. There aren't a lot of candidates on the Chargers for this spot.

    Underrated: DE Igor Olshansky.
    He tends to get overlooked on a line with Jamal Williams and Luis Castillo, but he's right up there with them.

    San Francisco 49ers

    Overrated: WR Darrell Jackson.
    If they think he's going to cure their receiver problems, they are wrong. He's not better than Antonio Bryant, the guy they let go. Jackson drops a lot of passes.

    Underrated: LB Brandon Moore.
    He had 6½ sacks last year, four games with 10 or more tackles, including the last three, and yet you'd be hard-pressed for people on the East Coast to know his name. He's a heck of a player.

    Seattle Seahawks

    Overrated: WR Deion Branch.
    He's a nice player, but he wasn't worth what the Seahawks traded and paid to get him. Is he really a No. 1 receiver?

    Underrated: WR D.J. Hackett.
    He got a chance to play last season because of injuries, starting five games, and showed some nice skills. He caught 45 passes and had four touchdown catches, the same as Branch, who started 13 games.

    Tampa Bay Buccaneers

    Overrated: QB Jeff Garcia.
    He played well for the Eagles last year, but is he really any better than Chris Simms? We'll find out. I doubt it.

    Underrated: DE Greg Spires.
    He doesn't get the attention Simeon Rice gets, but he is one of those effort guys all defenses need.

    Tennessee Titans

    Overrated: QB Vince Young (LOVE IT!!!)
    Is it crazy to put a second-year player in this spot? Maybe. But he isn't close to being the quarterback some say he is. He can't pass the football consistently yet, but most would make you think otherwise. Give him time.

    Underrated: LT Michael Roos.
    He isn't Pro Bowl caliber yet, but this young player has a chance to be a nice starting player for a long time.

    Washington Redskins

    Overrated: WR Antwaan Randle El.
    Is he anything more than a good No. 3 receiver? The Redskins paid him way too much money.

    Underrated: DT Kedric Golston.
    He won a job last year and played well inside as a rookie. He has a chance to develop into a quality defensive tackle. He might never be a Pro Bowl player, but he will be a consistent starter.
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    Re: Prisco: Porter most overrated, Warren most underrated player

    I distrust Prisco even bringing gifts.
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    Re: Prisco: Porter most overrated, Warren most underrated player

    Note that there are 4 ex-pats in his most overrated palyers, all of whom someone would have wanted resigned here.
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    Re: Prisco: Porter most overrated, Warren most underrated player

    Pete was not to kind to former Patriots, but his assessments of them were on the mark. Picking on Vince Young apparently got David Givens off the hook in Tennessee. :rolleyes:

    A little harsh on Tedy IMO because he was playing out of position and with a broken wrist. It's also a bit of a stretch to suddenly call a guy over rated when he's been under rated for most his best years during which we won 3 championships and he only got to the pro bowl once, and as a backup I believe... Nobody here thinks Tedy is the best LB on the team at 34, but his leadership skills ain't deteriorating - just his career long under rated playmaking capacity. And that may resurface somewhat if he can have a full camp and stay injury free and play his position as more of a rotational player this season.
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    Re: Prisco: Porter most overrated, Warren most underrated player

    i noticed that
    branch
    willie
    law
    woody

    interesting
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    Re: Prisco: Porter most overrated, Warren most underrated player

    Sometimes it's good to be controversial and I think that this is a good example of a controversial article. After all, if everyone agreed with his judgements, how would they be over- (or under-) rated?

    It hurts me that he has Tedy as over-rated, but this is the NFL (= Not For Long) and he had to choose someone. Who would be the alternative? Seymour?
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    Re: Prisco: Porter most overrated, Warren most underrated player

    Also the underrated Greg Spires in TB was on the Pats as well... albeit along time ago.

    You just have to love being a Pats fan... if Tedy is the most overrated player on the team (I would have to think that Moss fits the bill on this one), then this is 1 of the best run franchises EVER. I happen to love Tedy.
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    Re: Prisco: Porter most overrated, Warren most underrated player


    Seymour struggled abit due to some injuries BB won't tell us about. He was ok but not the Richard we come to know.
    Tedy struggled because of injury, I think. Does anybody think his wrist injury was completely healed when he went back into the SL? I don't.
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    Re: Prisco: Porter most overrated, Warren most underrated player

    That's normal, isn't it? But, if you were playing the game, who would you say was overrated on the Pats?
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    Re: Prisco: Porter most overrated, Warren most underrated player

    Maybe you can add Asante in a couple years.

    Before people go beserek on me, remember that everyone was up in arms about losing the other over-rated pats: Woody, Law, WMG, Branch.

    Not a stretch to find in a couple years that without Seymour, Wolfork, Warren, Colvin, Vrabel and Bruschi that Asante is no long a top 20 CB, even if he is being paid like a top 5.
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    Re: Prisco: Porter most overrated, Warren most underrated player

    To be fair Bruschi is not the same player he was a few years ago. I don't think he's overrated around here because we know he's in the twilight of his career but outside of New England people probably aren't aware of the drop off he's had. This isn't to take anything away from Tedy, but I think this is his last year; I just hope we can send him, Troy, and (maybe) Rodney out on top.

    Seymour was really banged up last year and played through it, I expect to see him tearing it up again this year.

    I agree completely, our front seven played a big role in those 10 INTs. Obviously Asante is a good player but I don't think will appreciate how good he has it here until he leaves and doesn't have a great front seven forcing bad rushed throws.
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    Re: Prisco: Porter most overrated, Warren most underrated player

    Probably Ben Watson. He is one of the few Patriot plyers whose hype has exceeded his production over the last few years. He's a solid TE but you will hear people talk about his as a much better player than he has shown on the field.
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    Re: Prisco: Porter most overrated, Warren most underrated player

    Most of those players were older when the Patriots let them go. Asante's just entering his prime. That's the difference.

    Agree that Bruschi doesn't seem to have it anymore, and definitely agree that Warren is the most underrated. The guy is the best defensive player on the Patriots, IMO.
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    Re: Prisco: Porter most overrated, Warren most underrated player

    Eugene Wilson? Injury prone, lack of production, lack of numbers in the same areas that helped to get Lawyer canned....
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    Good to see Warren finally getting the same recognition most of us have been giving him... interesting to see so many former Patriots on the overrated side of the fence
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    I am afraid to say it but I agree with Prisco about Tedi - Wrist injury or not hes getting older and along with that usually means becoming less productive and slower to getting to the ball carrier - it seems since his stroke he has not been the same and aging does not help either,such is life.

    Once again wrist injury or not,Hes not anywhere near the Tedi of 2004 and before - I can't see him playing beyond this year,I think theres a 0 chance of seeing him in a Patriots uniform in 2008..he deserves the retirement peace.
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    Re: Prisco: Porter most overrated, Warren most underrated player

    Deion Branch isn't aholew lot older than Samuel, and niether was Woody when he was allowed to leave. No, the only common denominator was that these guys did great when surrounded by great players, and less great when surrounded by average to good players. It isn't a knock on them. It's a knock of those that think players are interchangeable linke machine parts. A guy who does well in one place surrounded by great players may not do so well surrounded by other players.

    Others, like Joey Porter, Warren Sapp, etc, are just over-rated. They have big mouths and a lot of charisma. Some people confuse charisma with talent.

    I wouldn't go that far, but he is the anti-Joey Porter/Warren Sapp. He performs extremely well without hype, and his reward is to be oerlooked as everyone turns to the"exciting" players.
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    He's been carrying the main load at SILB for just about every game he plays. The Pats don't really have someone that can spell him other than sliding Vrabel over. I would not be opposed to trading Samuel for an E. G. Henderson type of player with maybe a pick thrown in.
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    Randy Moss may well prove to be the most overrated player on the Pats this year.
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