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  1. indycolts685

    indycolts685 Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    I did not start this thread to be a troll, I just couldn't believe it when I read it, considering how dominant they have been this year, now in all fairness the article says this is based on 18 trips teams have been in the redzone, now I don't know how that compares to other teams but only 18 trips for teams in the redzone? That to me seems pretty low. I have no idea where the Colts stand on this, they might be 31 for all I know..



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    Sure you didn't :rolleyes:

    Whenever you come in a and start a negative post on another teams fan site, pointing out a negative by said team, by definition. YOU ARE TROLLING.

    You may not by intending to be, but you are.
     
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    i think it is a rule, after spygate they said every time an opposing team gets in the red zone..pats must let them score. have always been bend but dont break defence. think alot has to do with the score of the games


    so far it hasnt been a problem.


    new rule coming...opposing coaches will have a red and white flag. white flag will be used for surrendering.
     
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    indycolts685 Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    Go read some of my others posts then come back and tell me im a troll...
     
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    indycolts685 Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    It may not be negative at all, depending on how you look it at, only 18 trips to the Redzone in 8 games? To me that stat seems amazing in a good way of course..
     
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    ugoh playing?
     
  7. indycolts685

    indycolts685 Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    I haven't heard anything yet, I sure hope so, Im sure you all want to play our best, same goes for Colts fans.
     
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    If someone thinks a poster is trolling, report it to the mods using the little triangle button and let them deal with it.

    Anyway, we know Belichick has been cackling with glee over this all season long. Something he can berate his team about.
     
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    For those who want to talk football, I'd like to know why as well? The Pats obviously have a great D.

    Do the Pats go into a different scheme when in the red zone? Is it because the games are already in hand, so they're playing a prevent at this point? It seemed a strange stat to read.
     
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    On a serious note, it would be interesting to see when those 8 scores in 18 attempts occurred. I suspect that a fairly high percentage occurred when the Pats had a substantial lead and were giving ground slowly a means of bleeding clock.

    For example, against the Skins they had a 52-0 lead and then gave up a TD. That's one. Against the Fins they had a 42-7 lead and then gave up two TDs. That's two more of the 8. Not sure that late TDs with a big lead prove all that much about the Pats' Red Zone D.
     
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    It's irrelevant to me - we clearly have the athletic ability to cover down close. The bottom line is we're allowing 6 PPG in the first half of games. So when the defense is really trying in it's normal scheme we are allowing points ar a rate of 12 points per game.

    The fact that we've allowed 10 PPG in the second half when we have huge leads which skews the scheme and the stats is basically meaningless IMO.
     
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    Inadequate sample size.
     
  13. indycolts685

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    I would say your probably right, makes the redzone defense seem worse then it really is, I honestly didn't start this thread to start any crap, just something different for discussion..
     
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    Hopefully we can do something about that.;)
     
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    Wait just on eminute here....you mean, there have been EIGHTEEN times where a team got close to our endzone...and then SCORED?

    Talk about rubbing it in....don't those other teams care about the pride of our defenders? don't they know how humiliating that can be? Not a single team just took a knee in that situation?

    wow, I think those teams are just begging for someone to intentionally hurt them...not that I am advocating it, mind you....
     
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    the colts have allowed 19 red zone trips for 10 TDs.

    Looking at the pats games.

    The pats have given up 5 first half TDs of the 14 Defensive TDs they have given up. 1 TD was not a red zone TD.

    Also, we've stopped teams a couple times just outside the 20 which don't add to out red zone stats.
     
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    When youre up 20-40 points at half, garbage time stats will make something look worse
     
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    Here they are (time remaining, score just before TD)

    JEST:
    2Q 4:15 7-0
    3Q 2:19 28-7

    Chargers:
    3Q 6:43 24-0
    4Q 14:48 31-7

    Bills:
    1Q 2:44 3-0

    Bengals:
    2Q 10:59 14-0

    Browns:
    4Q 14:10 20-3 (not red zone)
    4Q 5:56 27-10

    Cowboys:
    2Q 10:25 14-3 (fumble return)
    2Q 0:46 21-10
    3Q 10:20 21-17

    Doofins:
    2Q 14:57 14-0
    4Q 11:35 42-7
    4Q 10:30 42-14 (INT return)
    4Q 3:45 49-21

    Redskins:
    4Q 3:00 52-0
     
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    And, let me guess, going into last weeks game against the Patriots the Redskins were one of the top red zone defense teams in the NFL? Final score Patiots 52 - Redskins 7. Great, meaningful post you your part.......NOT!
     
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    A summary:

    Jets - 2nd quarter - Pats up 7-0

    Seau called for offsides negating a stop on 3rd and 1, Coles catches a TD pass. If I recall, the Jets fooled the Pats with an odd formation, as Coles came out of the backfield, and Colvin had no chance of covering him 1-on-1.

    Jets - 3rd quarter - Pats up 28-7

    Thomas Jones rushes from the 12 to the 2 and a Vrabel offsides sets up NY with 1st and Goal from the 1. First play is incomplete to Coles, second is complete to Coles for a TD.

    Chargers - 3rd quarter - Pats up 24-0

    Pats stonewall LT, but Rivers scramble and pass to Gates give them 1st and goal at the 4. Play action pass to Lorenzo Neal on 4th and 1 gives them the TD. Might have been a FG attempt if the score were closer, but impossible to tell for sure.

    Chargers - 4th quarter - Pats up 31-7

    Gates catches a 12 yard TD pass on the 2nd red zone play. Gates gave them trouble all day.

    Bills - 1st quarter - Pats up 3-0

    Lynch runs in a TD on 3rd and goal from the 8. I seem to remember this being a very nice individual effort on Lynch's part. This was also Trent Edwards' first career series, they seemed confused that whole drive, but clamped down with a vengeance after that. Buffalo never crossed mid-field again.

    Bengals - 2nd quarter - Pats up 10-0

    Tom Brady INT (yes, they do exist) sets up Bengals with short field. 22 yard pass to Ocho Cinco sets up Bengals 1st & Goal at the 1. First play is a TD pass to TJ Housh. Most red zone possessions that start at the 1 aren't going to end well.

    Bengals - 2nd quarter - Pats up 17-7

    First red zone play is 2nd an 9 from the 20. Asante Samuel jumps Ocho's route and gets the INT.

    Browns - 1st quarter - Pats up 3-0

    Pats give up 11 yard run on 1st down from the 12 yard line, but stiffen when presented with 1st & Goal at the 1. Incomplete pass, stuffed run, then Samuel gets his hand on a pass that Seau ends up intercepting.

    Browns - 4th quarter - Pats up 27-10

    Short field due to Browns special teams. One play to get in the red zone, and then one more to score as Winslow catches a pass on 1st down at the 14.

    Browns - 4th quarter - Pats up 34-17

    Only seconds left in the game. First play is a spike and Pats force 3 straight incompletions, the last one as time expires.

    Cowboys - 2nd quarter - Pats up 14-0

    Cowboys reach the 20 yard line on a 2nd down play. 3rd down is an incompletion and they kick a FG.

    Cowboys - 2nd quarter - Pats up 21-10

    2nd and 5 from the 12. One incompletion to TO, then a TD pass to TO. It was a very short pass that TO ran in, and I clearly remember two Patriots defenders running into each other when it looked like either one of them had a shot at bringing TO down.

    Cowboys - 3rd quarter - Pats up 21-17

    Crayton catches two straight intermediate passes. The second one was on 1st and Goal from the 8. Pats got burned on a jailbreak play, I remember 3 Patriots streaking in at Romo who had to hurry to get rid of it.

    Cowboys - 4th quarter - Pats up 38-21

    Big kickoff return gives Dallas the short field. One play sets up 1st & Goal from the 10. A sack, a 7 yard run and an incompletion lead to a questionable FG call by Dallas.

    Dolphins - 1st/2nd quarter - Pats up 14-0

    Fins have 1st and Goal at the 9. Brown rush for 5 yards, Cleo Lemon sneaks 4 yards for the TD. They looked very surprised by the Lemon rush, at least the camera was, because I didn't even see who had it at first.

    Dolphins - 3rd quarter - Pats up 42-7

    Fins get as close as the 19 but throw an incompletion and an INT, losing the ball and Ronnie Brown for the season.

    Dolphins - 4th quarter - Pats up 42 - 7

    1st & Goal from the 2 after a 17 yard run. 1 yard run, incomplete pass, 1 yard TD run on 3rd down. I'm seeing the name LeKevin Smith in the tackle info for this drive, so I'm guessing there were a fair number of backups in the game at this point.

    Dolphins - 4th quarter - Pats up 49-21

    20 yard pass sets up 1st & Goal from the 7. Pats caught off guard by running play after 9 passes in the last 10 plays and give up the 7 yard TD run.

    Redskins - 3rd quarter - Pats up 38-0

    Skins' first red zone appearance comes 43 minutes into the game. They are promptly stonewalled for 4 straight plays and turn it over on downs.

    Redskins - 4th quarter - Pats up 52-0

    Skins have smoke coming out their ears on this drive and look like they'd absolutely kill to get one score before the game ends. In the red zone, a fals e start and a 15 yard TD pass to Cooley are the 2 plays. If they'd played with that much fire the whole game they might have made it a lot closer.
     
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