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  1. Armen Da Pats Fan

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    Assuming no draftees crack the starting lineup, here is my first guess at the 2006 starting lineup:

    QB: Tom Brady
    FB: Heath Evans
    RB: Corey Dillon
    LT: Matt Light
    LG: Logan Mankins
    C: Dan Koppen
    RG: Stephen Neal
    RT: Nick Kazcur
    WR: Deion Branch
    WR: Reche Caldwell
    TE: Ben Watson

    DE: Richard Seymour
    DT: Vince Wilfork
    DT: Ty Warren
    DE Jarvis Green
    LB: Mike Vrabel
    LB: Tedy Bruschi
    LB: Rosy Colvin
    CB: Asante Samuel
    CB: Eric Warfield
    S: Rodney Harrison
    S: Eugene Wilson

    K: Mafata Shimeo
    P: Josh Miller
    LS: Lonnie Paxton


    Yes, I had to go 4-3 because we just don't have the linebackers (TBC, Ryan Claridge?)...

    But, other than LB, we look pretty damn good, IMO...

    I am looking forward to this season and the fire in Brady & Bruschi's bellies after the Denver debacle to close out '05!

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    Ok, I give up--who is Mafata Shimeo?
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    But that's cheating since you know we won't do that. ;)

    And you've got Evans bumping Pass out of the FB slot? Not unless he suddenly learns to block like a fullback over the offseason. If Heath sticks, I think it's as depth as an ace back, depending on what happens in the draft.
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    Question marks from your line up, not to be pessimistic, but my notes are real questions.

    Heath - back up - not a starter

    Dillon - Is he 2004 or is he 2005?

    Koppen - will he return healthy?

    Light - Again, lingerin gdoubt about his leg, should be OK - but is a ?

    Caldwell - is he #2 or does he not even make the team?

    Seymour - Is he a holdout?

    Green - I do not think we go 4-3, so he is out, I do think Claridge or a rookie will be the surprise of camp and starts.

    Warfield - starter? I dunno...

    Harrison - does he make it back tro start? Does he make it back, period?

    Shimeo - Love the guy...errr... Who is he??




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    You might as well put the cards out as they are and that means a 3-4, even if you don't like the result.

    I assume at this time it would be :

    LOLB - Vrabel
    ILB - Beisel
    ILB - Bruschi
    ROLB - Colvin

    But will change by opening day.
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    Some good replies - I won't quote all of them, since there are too many.

    My three cents: (inflation)

    • Dillon is being paid to start and will.
    • Evans is a long shot. Pass probably still has FB role in a 2 man RB set and 3rd down and long.
    • For 1st and 2nd down running plays - more likely to be a TE f-back with 2 TE - or 3 WR.
    • Caldwell looks like a long shot. Still free agency and draft possibilities.
    • It will be a base 3-4 defense.
    • Candidates for LOLB - Banta-Cain, Claridge, free agent, rookie, probably in that order. Jarvis Green ??
    • Beisel is a real long shot to even make the roster.
    • Warfield is a long shot. Hobbs and Gay will be fighting for right corner with both of them being in nickel.
    • Warfield looks like a good bet for dime. Later in the season, Warfield may have a shot at right corner.
    • Harrison will start. Hawkins should see a fair amount of time for the first part of the season.
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    Maine:

    Mafata Shimeo is like an inside joke in my "set"...anytime someone can't remember a name, we'll throw out two names - Mafata Shimeo and Sefarkus Knuckles...

    This joke originally started with my good friend Fred Cohan, who tragically passed away too early at age 47 last year.

    For example, if one of us says, "You remember that guy from so-so awhile back?"

    Another will answer, "You mean Mafata Shimeo?"

    "No, No..."

    "Oh, you must be referring to Sefarkus Knuckles, then?"

    No real meaning to it...just playful fodder...

    We even had one guy going to a cigar shop asking for "Mafata Shimeo #2 Torpedos"!

    Guess you had to be there!


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    true, true...

    I could have stayed in the 3-4 and used Monty Beisel, but...

    I like Heath Evans over Pass (no knock on Pass) and they just signed Heath to a 3-year deal, didn't they...

    I'm thinking they have plans for him...
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    Well, it is what it is and right now Beisel is probably the best option. It's either him or Claridge inside or TBC outside.

    And the 4-3 option, while getting Green on the field instead of Beisel, leaves Bruschi in the middle by himself - he may never have had the speed for that and he certainly doesn't now.

    It's 3-4 or bust, baby.
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    As for the 3 long shots...long shots for starting?? Maybe.. Caldwell yes..he's maybe more of a 3rd 4th depending..but that could change. I think Warfield will be in the mix of CB S..again depending on who is stronger and who might be better in a sub package. Closer than a long shot. Learning year for Beisel...he's making a transition..needs time. Unless he goes down hill a lot more, or does something un-patriotic...he'll be on the team.
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    Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm not sure a 3 year contract is even an indication that Evans will make the final roster. It seems like a 3 year contract without a significant signing bonus is just a free option package for the Pats - so why wouldn't they if the player is willing to sign one ? It was sort of discussed in another thread. One year contracts are more likely to be because the player didn't want to get tied up for short money for more than a year when the extra years wouldn't have guaranteed him anything if the Pats were inclined to cut him. And then he would be tied up for short money for several seasons even if he had a solid breakout year and could have commanded more money on the free agent market.
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    On the CB, I think Hobbs will start with Warfield. Gay and Scott will be really nice backups and nickel/dime guys. Samuel, I expect, will take the slot WR so he won't "start" but will play an awful lot. I don't say this because I think Warfield is "better" than Samuel, just that I think Samuel is best suited in this role.
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    BB doesn't use a FB in the traditional sense of the term (like Mack Strong, for example).

    Pass and Evans are hybrid FB that fit our spread offense perfectly. Pass is the starter, and Evans answers the question, who is our back-up FB? Klecko probably doesn't make the team this year, at least as the back-up FB.
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    Yes. For starting - I should have been clearer.

    Each year, probably just optimism, I have looked at the free agent signings and been fairly optimistic that they are going to be really significant contributors - especially if we have a need at the position. Then I see what happens - many of these guys that looked so potentially important end up actually getting cut before the season. So maybe I've swung too far in the other direction and think that many of these guys are just camp fodder that are only long shot possibilities. Certainly impossible to know until we see what Belichick decides !!

    Well, we'll just have to have differing opinions. If the Pats have any luck at all in further free agency or the draft, I don't think he has any chance to make the roster.
    My detailed observations on Beisel:
    http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showpost.php?p=74182&postcount=15
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    I like the way offense feels when Evans is on the field...

    He's got good hands and he can be a change-up back with Dillon in there as a backup...

    Pass just kind of leaves me bland...

    I know he's done some nice work for us in the past, he just doesn't get me excited!

    I wouldn't be surprised to see Graham or Watson back there...just to get them both on the field at once...
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    I disagree. Samuel will start.
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    yeah, I agree. Wasn't Warfield the #2 CB for the Chiefs the last couple of years.

    As far as NFL standards, Samuels, Hobbs and Warfield are #2 type CB. Randall Gay could be also considered a #2, at least a nickel. Chad Scott is probably considered as far as NFL standards as an excellent nickel back/safety. Poteat is definitely a dime back.

    Because of our lack of depth at these positions, like it or not, Caldwell and Beisel will contribute to this team. My reasoning is that there are no better options in FA for WR than Caldwell, and more than likely a rookie WR is going to start out in the slot. One just cannot pencil Troy Brown in at #2, he's more of a clutch third down possession WR right now. (Of course, a miracle trade could happen that lands us a #2, but who knows.)

    As far as Beisel contributing this year, my reasoning is that he is the primary ILB depth LB. Because of play-calling (which requires vet savvy) its easier to get a rookie OLB, than to try to fill the ILB. So my thinking is that Vrabel stays inside, along with Tedy, and Colvin and a rookie 1st round pick will be outside. Beisel will probably see some action inside just so the ILB corp doesn't wear down, and to keep them healthy, just like we'll probably see Claridge or TBC see some action outside. (Rememer the days when BB would rotate the OLB, Willie, Vrabel and Colvin, and the ILB, Phifer, Ted Johnson, Bruschi?) If either Bruschi or Vrabel goes down, who else would you put at ILB?
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    People saw Beisel get pushed around a lot last year. The reason is simple. He is not a vet in this system, so he doesn't have the savvy.

    And he weighs a measly 238 lbs. BB at camp wanted him to bulk up. When Vrabel weighs 266 lbs, and Ted Johnson in the 250's, its easy to see why Besiel had problems. Tis but a matter of physics.

    ILB have to take on and shed interior linemen who weigh over 300 lbs. ILB is not easy.

    My hunch is that if Beisel can pack on the weight, he'll do better than he did last year. He really didn't do that bad in the Jaguar game at the end of the year.
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    Patrick Pass will always start ahead of Heath Evans, if we draft a back he may get cut.
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    Did you really watch his play in slo-mo or is that just an impression ?? ??
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    As far as your quote, "on the couple times when a blocker got into the backfield and took on Beisel, he was basically blocked back 5 yards out of the play and just stopped without even trying to shed off of the block and or even head toward the runner.." What could be attributed to lack of effort, could also easily be attributed to being underweight. Beisel is 238 lbs. Vrabel is 266 lbs. Furthermore, Beisel has no vet savvy because it is his first year in the system. It is a hard system to pick up, as Chad Brown clearly said.

    My "hunch" is that if Beisel can pack on 15 more lbs, he will slightly improve and be a decent reserve ILB. If he doesn't pack on the weight, there is no way he will make it in this system. So, to answer your question, that is my hunch, guess or impression. My guess is that Beisel plays special teams, and is the third ILB. I also guess from your reference that he is "an absolute bust" that you probably have a friendly disagreement of opinion with me concerning Beisel. :)
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    .....:) ...... yes
    Actually, I would be very pleased to be wrong. We could certainly use another capable linebacker. The only real assessment in the end will be Belichick's as to whether he keeps him or not. If, for some reason, the Pats get some more solid free agent LBs and draft LB(s), even getting cut might not be a total indication - might just be that he was odd man out.

    Hard to wait for training camp, preseason, and final cuts.

    Hope it turns out to be a better free agent year than last year.
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    Harrison and Koppen may not be ready by opening day, may even be on PUP.

    Evans won't start over Pass.

    Hobbs is one CB...end of story.

    The starting WR opposite Branch isn't on the team as yet.
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    My guess -

    QB: Tom Brady
    FB: Ben Watson
    RB: Corey Dillon
    LT: Matt Light
    LG: Logan Mankins
    C: Dan Koppen
    RG: Stephen Neal
    RT: Nick Kazcur
    WR: Deion Branch
    WR: Bam Childress
    TE: Daniel Graham

    DE: Richard Seymour
    DT: Vince Wilfork
    DE: Ty Warren
    OLB: Mike Vrabel
    ILB: Monty Beisel
    ILB: Tedy Bruschi
    OLB: Rosy Colvin
    CB: Asante Samuel
    CB: Eric Warfield
    S: Rodney Harrison
    S: Eugene Wilson

    K: Paul Edinger
    P: Josh Miller
    LS: Lonnie Paxton
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    My Guess, without rookies
    BTW, a 43 would hurt about 5 players productivity. It's not happening.

    QB: Brady
    FB: Pass (or Watson as 2nd TE instead)
    RB: Corey Dillon
    LT: Kazcur
    LG: Mankins
    C: Koppen (if he's ready, else Hochstein)
    RG: Neal
    RT: Light
    WR: Branch
    WR: Caldwell
    TE: Graham (he is a clear starter)

    DE: Seymour
    NT: Wilfork
    DE: Warren
    LB: Banta-Cain (I think we will start a rookie, if we don't trade)
    LB: Vrabel (he is the captain)
    LB: Bruschi
    LB: Colvin
    CB: Samuel
    CB: Warfield
    S: Hawkins (Harrison is very unlikely to be ready)
    S: Wilson

    K: ????
    P: Josh Miller
    LS: Lonnie Paxton


    Yes, I had to go 4-3 because we just don't have the linebackers (TBC, Ryan Claridge?)...

    But, other than LB, we look pretty damn good, IMO...

    I am looking forward to this season and the fire in Brady & Bruschi's bellies after the Denver debacle to close out '05!

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    I think this would be the most potent lineup for the pats having Watson and Graham in place of a full back.
    Much more versatility this way as they can be effective run blockers as well as be playmakers.
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    In theory this shouldn't be true. The fullback should be an effective blocker and a receiver, the same as a tight end. Watson of course is more of a downfield threat than Pass.

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