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Bruschi last starter from pre-Belichick

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  1. BelichickFan

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    I hadn't noticed until I got in a little fight with some Browns fans that Bruschi is the last starter left. Of course, Troy plays a noticeable role but he's not a starter. I was surprised because we had a good number of holdovers on defense initially but with McGinest's departure they're all gone now.

    Also, of the 22 starters, 15 were drafted. 14 + Neal but I include him as we signed him very young, very close to a UDFA. Just the one expensive UFA, Colvin, and the one mid level UFA, Harrison.

    Of course a few like Vrabel and Koppen have been expensive UFA re-signings but it's very interesting looking at how our starters were initially acquired. The fight I got into was a thread they started saying how awesome the Patriots defense looked and it immediately moved to "what expensive UFA can they sign". So I had to provide them with this list and things went downhill from there :)

    DE Seymour - DRAFTED
    NT Wilfork - DRAFTED
    DE Warren - DRAFTED
    OLB Vrabel - CHEAP FREE AGENT
    ILB Seau - CHEAP FREE AGENT
    ILB Bruschi - DRAFTED
    OLB Colvin - EXPENSIVE FREE AGENT
    CB Hobbs - DRAFTED
    S Harrison - MID LEVEL FREE AGENT
    S Wilson - DRAFTED
    CB Samuel - DRAFTED

    Offense ?

    QB Brady - DRAFTED
    RB Dillon - TRADED FOR (2nd round pick)
    TE Watson - DRAFTED
    TE Graham - DRAFTED
    LT Light - DRAFTED
    LG Mankins - DRAFTED
    C Koppen - DRAFTED
    RG Neal - UNDRAFTED FREE AGENT
    RT O'Callaghan - DRAFTED
    WR Caldwell - CHEAP FREE AGENT
    WR Gabriel - TRADED FOR (5th round pick)
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    You forgot the following:

    Lonnie Paxton - UDFA
    Josh Miller - Mid-Level Free Agent
    Stephen Gostkowski - Drafted
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    nd don't forget Kevin Faulk is another holdover from the pre-Belichick days.

    I think that's it:

    Bruschi
    Brown
    Faulk

    McGinest and Vinatieri were two that just left.
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    Kind of along the same lines: It would be interesting to know how many of the draft pics or rookie free agents from the Pete Carrol era are still playing in the league as opposed to how many from the Parcells Patriots era.
    I can think of a few:
    PC - Woody, Faulk, Spires, Tebucky
    BP - Bledsoe, Brown, Bruschi, McGinest, Milloy, Law, AV, Glenn, Martin(maybe)
    9 to 4 - wow
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    What's even more shocking is how many of these players weren't on the 2001 Championship Team. In 2001, Light and Seymour were rookies, and Brady was a redshirt freshman.

    Exactly five of our starters have three rings: Brady, Light, Seymour, Vrabel and Bruschi.

    Plus, Lonnie the snow angel, our LS. The only other carryovers are Troy, Kevin and Izzo.


    QB Brady --> Brady
    QB Bledsoe* --> Cassell
    RB Smith* --> Dillon
    RB Redmond --> Moroney
    FB Edwards* --> Evans
    RB Faulk --> Faulk
    WR Brown --> Brown

    WR Patten* --> Caldwell
    WR Coleman --> Gabriel
    WR Johnson --> Jackson
    TE Wiggins* --> Watson
    TE Ruttledge --> Graham
    LT Light --> Light
    LG Compton --> Mankins
    OC Woody* --> Koppen
    RG Andruzzi* --> Neal
    RT R-Randall --> O'Callaghan
    OT Williams --> Kaczur
    OC Reugamer* --> Hochstein
    P Walter --> Miller
    K Vinatieri* --> Gostkowski
    DT Mitchell --> NT Wilfork
    DT Seymour --> DE Seymour
    DE Pleasant --> Warren
    DE Hamilton* --> Green
    LB McGinest* --> Colvin
    LB Bruschi --> Bruschi
    LB Vrabel --> Vrabel

    LB Johnson --> Seau
    LB Phifer --> Banta-Cain
    LB Chatham* --> Davis
    B Izzo --> Izzo
    CB Law* --> Hobbs
    CB Smith --> Scott
    CB Buckley --> Samuel
    FS Jones* --> Wilson
    FS Stevens --> Hawkins
    SS Milloy* --> Harrison
    SS Cherry --> Sanders

    *The shocking thing to me is that I count 15 players from that team who are still in the NFL, but not playing for the Pats. Some of it is that we've drafted or signed better players, but many of them left for cap reasons.
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    Wow, your right rook, that IS very interesting. I think it just goes to show you how much this personnel turnover issue is all just part of the patriots approach to continuing to develop a stronger and stronger roster, while also making the salary cap work more and more in their favor. The single minded discipline they use towards their philosophies is one of the key things that separates them from the rest of the NFL. I still can't believe we have 2 first round picks next year too!
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    LOL, I bet half the NFL fans haven't put 2 and 2 together yet. They laugh at us losing Branch but in April they'll be saying "damn, the Patriots have two #1 picks AGAIN ?" :D

    It's just great to see our quality starting lineup being filled largely by recent draft choices. Sometimes teams can be running on the fumes of vets which hides the lack of contribution of young guys - that's clearly not the case with us.
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    Too true. The Pats FO is taking a real beating for letting AV walk. But, I think it was a calculated decision. They were starting to downgrade Adam's value based on age and injuries. And, Adam has actually missed significant time so far this year... proving them right.

    Age and time are the factors. Phifer, TJ, Pleasant, Johnson went into retirement. McGinest, Compton, Andruzzi, Vinatieri, Buckley, Antowain... these guys were allowed to walk away on the decline of their careers. We would not value them for the sentiment.

    Big Money is another factor, but not as big a player as I would have thought. Branch and Givens (who weren't even on the 2001 team), Woody, Washington... that's it?

    Talent and upside. We gave up on Redmond, Wiggins, R-Randall and some other youngsters like Antwan Harris and Leonard Myers. Nugent. Coleman. Plus, we gave up on Bledsoe before it was trendy to give up on him.

    And a final category is sheer stupidity. Bobby Hamilton... what did you sign that contract for? Brandon Mitchell went to Seattle to ride the pine. Dumb.
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    Good Points. That's it - the Pats front office does this all in a very methodical, analytical, well thought out way, totally based on value and worth and without letting emotion cloud their decision making. The cumulative results of all these good decisions, albeit, sometimes tough decisions, is that our roster is loaded with young, cheap, talented players and is very deep, and the rest of the nation keeps wondering how the pats can 'lose' all these great players and not take a step backwards. They very rarely mention the fact that great roster management over the years has allowed the pats to build up depth of young talent waiting in the wings. They also rarely mention the ability of Belichick to 'coach up' young players and his system and schemes being so strong as to prepare them and allow them to be put into roles where they are set up to succeed. I think alot of what's going on with this dynasty just goes right over most people's heads.
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    I'm pretty sure that Neal was also on the 2001 team and has three rings.

    But everything else is true and is something I break out to surprise fans of other teams. Most opposing fans think that NE is the same team as they were in 2001 or 2003. This team is steadily rebuilding along the way, and they aren't going anywhere for a while.
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    Just out of curiosity-how many starters were left over in that '01 Super Bowl from the Parcells era? Madden mentioned it was quite a few then.
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    Actually, they are going somwhere - just not down :D
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    Bledsoe, Brown, Bruschi, Ted Johnson, Ty Law, McGinest, Milloy, AV, Chris Sullivan & Otis Smith were all players on the 01' roster who were also on the roster while Parcells was coach*. I think all of these guys were on the roster together at the end of the 96' season.
    Faulk, Tebucky, Brandon Mitchell, Rod Rutledge and Woody were the only hold overs on the 01' roster* that were brought in under Pete Carrol/Bobby Grier.
    *Roster info from Patriots.com
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    how about ze bench?

    Cassell - DRAFTED
    Jackson - DRAFTED
    Andrews - DRAFTED
    Hawkins - UDFA
    Spann - UDFA
    Faulk - DRAFTED
    Sanders - DRAFTED
    Garrett Mills - DRAFTED
    Don Davis - CHEAP FA
    Eric Alexander UDFA
    Larry Izzo - CHEAP FA
    Pierre Woods UDFA
    Wesley Britt - UDFA
    Nick Kaczur - DRAFTED
    Doug Gabriel - TRADE
    David Thomas - DRAFTED
    Le Kevin Smith - DRAFTED
    Marquise Hill - DRAFTED
    Mike Wright - UDFA

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