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  1. Johnny Handsome

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    Wow! Now Stallworth is a done deal (Adam Schefter per Sirius radio NFL) I love most of the moves thus far, except the compensation for Welker and I'm leery about Stallworth. After the dust settles I have to see what this means to our cap. You can't buy a ring. The Redskins proved that. Just a little nervous considering we won 3 super bowls being more frugal and staying flexible.
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    No. We are the Patriots. We wear dark blue uniforms at home -- they wear dark red ones at home. :D

    BTW, did you just now hear it on the radio?
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    And again we heard it here first
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    We spend to the cap every year. We're not frugal, but we spend our money far more intelligently and for greater return than Snyder could ever dream of.
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    No, and here's why: The Redskins sign any big name free agent they can get their hands on, believing that pure talent alone will automatically make them better. The Pats are not only much better at assessing talent, they also only sign guys WHO FIT THE TEAM PHILOSOPHY AND THE SYSTEM! A.D. is a perfect fit for this team, Wes Welker is a perfect fit for this team, Morris is a perfect fit for this team, and Kyle Brady is a perfect fit for this team.

    But I'm not so sure Stallworth is. Thats why I'm still on the fence over him, even though the thought of a legitimate deep threat does make me salivate.
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  6. salty

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    Turns out it was wrong, though. :)
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    Amen, Brother Salty!

    Stallworth gives me the creeps. I sense a real cancer there, though not Moss level 4th stage lung cancer. Hopefully the offer he did/did not sign is laden heavier than a Grand Canyon mule with incentives.
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    Stallworth gives me the creeps too! He has never had a season over 1,000 yards or more than 7 TD's His BEST year was the one before last. He gained 945 yds. and had 7 TD's. Not exactly eye popping. Last year he had a very impressive Yards per catch. A little over 18 I believe but only like 700 + yards and 5 TD's. If we sign him I hope it's not for a ton of money or it includes plenty of performance bonuses!
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    Yes, I agree. I'd actually be pretty happy with them signing Stallworth if it were a low-risk contract that the Pats could get out of relatively easily, if necessary. Were they to sign him to a contract with a fair amount of guaranteed money, I would be worried until he made it through the entire 2007 season without causing a problem.
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    the Skins sign good-but-not-great guys to big deals every year with little thought to the cap.

    so far this year NE has signed a great player to a big deal (Thomas), a good player to a medium deal (Welker), and two role guys to lesser deals (Brady and Morris). They preceded this with 2 years of frugal cap spending where they took on cap hits in order to free up cap space in future seasons. On top of this, one year does not make a trend.

    I don't see a reason to chime in on Stallworth until we know details. Who knows how he would change things.

    C'mon, other team's fans (and the mediots) are going to be spewing this crap for the rest of the year. I'd hope pats fans can offer up a little more perspective and rationality.
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    Yes.

    The Pats are desperate - a lot of money spent for mediocre-to-good players. I wouldn't even call Adalius Thomas a great player.
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    Downplaying the Thomas signing is pure idiocy.
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    If Adalius Thomas isn't a great player, then the Colts didn't win the Super Bowl last season.
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    Great = one of the best players in the league, perennial pro-bowler, HOFer
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    :trolls: Mods! Please confine this clown to the visitors locker room!!!:mad:

    Oh, yeah, at least the troll understands the reason for the ring, according to his own sig.....
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    redskins are desperate, we fill needs.:eek:
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    the pats desperate........now thats funny:singing:
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    How else would you describe this 180 from the way they won 3 Super Bowls and their rumored interest in Randy Moss?
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    I would like to see you say that after we whoop the freaking Colts back to Indy this year. :)
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    We will already be in Indy. :) The Pats come to Indianapolis the next 3 years.
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    No were not the Redskins by any means

    They signed
    -Archuleta to the biggest safety contract in NFL(before Ed Reed got resigned) and clearly he was not that good..he cant cover and he misses tackles


    -Randel El. a PR/2nd-3rd WR like welker but with more speed and he got 7 yrs $31 mil. Thats $4.4 per year..Welker is at $3.26 per year

    -Carter who seemed to be decling and not fitting in San Fran got 6 year $30 million deal and hes been pretty good actually.

    -Brandon Lloyd for a 2nd and something else AFTER signing Randel El and got a big contract i forget what though

    -David Patten few years back got a huge contract and we know him well enough to let him walk and take the money

    we got
    -Adalius Thomas: 7.5 per year i think..what was it 5 years $37.5 deal but hes a pro bowler unlike any of the skins guys

    -Kyle Brady..2 years $5 mill for a guy who'll be there every down almost as a blocker

    -Sammy Morris got a small contract..2 years $3 mill i believe..for a backup

    -Welker for a 2nd and a 5 years $18 million or something

    -Stallworth might sign but we dont know yet

    Salary has increased and we are paying more than we would last year but we didnt break the bank like they did on every player. Only 1 with a big contrat is Thomas..anything under $3.5 million per year isnt that much.
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    are the pats the redskins? not yet, that question can't even be answered till the 07 season is over.

    signing a bunch of free agents usually never works though, but maybe the pats will be different.....
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    oh and the redskins only have like 4 draft picks , the pats have what? 7 still?

    pats are doing a good redskins impression but they'd have to trade more draft picks away to really look like them.
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    Because we've never had the type of money we do right now. We have the money that we do right now because of how we've spent since Belichick has been here.

    As someone else mentioned, we're filling needs, not just blindly adding good players for one last gasp. Thomas fits in perfectly with what we do on defense.

    With Welker, it's not like the Falcons when they signed Price. They needed him to be the #1, he had no help and it didn't work. Welker is coming here to be another weapon, not be THE guy. His skill set is perfect for what we need.

    With Stallworth, if signed, we get the deep threat that we've been missing.

    Again, there's a purpose for everyone, we're not just making the roster look nicer.

    I've read on ESPN that the Moss rumors are way overblown but even if they're true it doesn't signal desperation. The Patriots traded for Dillon when they saw a need at RB and the opportunity to pick up a good one. It worked.

    And it's not a complete 180 of how we won Super Bowls. In 2003, we signed several top free agents. The difference between then and now is how early we're signing them.
  25. AirForcePatFan

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    :snob: Well then, we will save you a trip... How bout kick ya out of your own dome!! :singing:
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    Dan Snyder is slowly learning the ropes. Our problem originally was signing guys past their prime... then we started getting relatively good players but overpayed them and mortgaged draft picks... now those guys are getting older and injury prone, so our resulting lack of young depth has killed us.

    A lot of people fail to realize that we got guys like Marcus Washington, Randy Thomas, Chris Samuels, Casey Rabach, Clinton Portis, Santana Moss, Cornelius Griffin, and Shawn Springs primarily through trades and free agency. They have all been tremendous talents for us when healthy but (with the exception of Portis) are all in or approaching their 30s after several years with us.

    You guys will be fine... if there is one thing you know how to do its draft and develop talent behind your starters. A few big signings every now and then is no problem so long as you still draft well and keep most of your picks.

    Desperate? Not especially. We fill needs through free agency, we just don't do it effectively (see above).

    Truth. However, the Skins have one of the best cap-management strategies in the NFL. After signing Fletcher and Smoot we are still an estimated 8.3 million under the cap. A few weeks before free agency we were 6 million over the cap.

    Spot on. Fortunately, we played so poorly on D and so inconcistently with our QB controversy last year that our first round pick can haul us 3-4 more picks (atleast two first day) if necessary.

    Archuleta played decently for us, he was our leading tackler before he got benched because we were trying to play a Cover 2 with the wrong personnel all season. Our CBs are better suited for man coverage and Arch simply can't play that deep zone, he'd have been better suited for our blitz heavy '04 defense.

    Carter has been as good as advertised, although he started slow. His problem in San Fran was that they tried to make him a 3-4 OLB and he's a prototypical 4-3 end.

    Randle El has also been as advertised. He was decent as a receiver but didn't get enough balls thrown his way and, considering the FA market this year, was signed to a fair contract. I'd say that giving up a 2nd for Welker makes that a slightly worse deal for you than El was for us, but overall the two are similarish enough.

    Gave up a 3rd and 4th (not 2nd) for Lloyd... and he was disappointing. He has one season to prove himself with (hopefully) better QBing before he probably gets cut.

    Patten was a disaster... guy never really sees the field (always sick or injured) but is still on our roster because he became somewhat of a locker room leader.

    By that logic, our signings last year were for a pretty good value (sans Archuleta) considering the talent or demand of the players at the time. With the possible exception of Welker, you guys really haven't gone overboard at all.

    Wooh... long post. Oh well, thats what I get for trying to clarify/explain the difference between the Pats and Skins.
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    Actually, the Pats always sign a bunch of free agents, just not the big names. I think we signed like 20-something before the 2001 season. I don't see this off-season being much different than the 2003 one.
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    i think it's vastly different because of the thomas move obviously (top FA available IMO) that and all the randy moss stallworth rumors , pats just never make this much big news, it's out of character
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    You could almost be talking about Deion Branch!
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    The Adalius Thomas signing was perfect, and a no brainer, if he wasn't available the Patriots would not have spent that money on anyone else. Second guessing Adalius is silly. The pats did what they had to do this offseason. They signed the best free agent who coincidentally plays the position we needed to fill most. He's a veteran and he's versatile. Its an all around no brainer. To not sign him would have been stupid to me.

    Wes Welker will prove his worth too. Pats were forced to sign FA receivers or give rookies who may be a bust too much play time. The Patriots could afford to sign these guys and couldn't afford not to. Bottom line.

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