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  1. patchick

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    Here's one I'm trying to track down more info on:

    Vaughn Martin, DT, Western Ontario
    6'4" 317 4.91
    Martin is a Jamaican/Canadian kid who was recruited by Michigan State but couldn't qualify academically. NFLDraftScout.com has a good writeup on him that had me thinking Pats-style 3-4 DE all the way...and sure enough, their comparison at the end is to Richard Seymour.

    Any insights on Martin, or any other deep sleepers to keep our eyes out for?
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    I have watched this kid play and he is a man among boys but plays in the Ont. Conference which has some weak teams. He has the stats to get consideration but his level of competition was my only drawback and he was not even an All Canadian (All American equivalent) but you never know.

    On kid who played in the East West Shine Game was Simeon Rottier who is very athletic but needs 15 to 20lbs. They had him at RT during the Shrine practices but moved him mid week back to his natural side of the left and he impressed. He is the #1 recruit coming out of Canadian University right now (Canadian Interuniversity Sport). # 2 on that list is a unreal RB who plays at my Alma mater Jamal Lee who is another Canadian looking like a top prospect (I watched him rush for over 400 yards against McGill last season).


    Rottier holds his own where the big boys come out to play

    Canadian Interuniversity Sport

    On a final note on the Canadian side of things Camaron Wake the Defensive MVP of the CFL the last two season and should have been league MVP sign with the Dolphins pretty cheap. This guy was unreal and wish we could have given him a look before he signed with Miami.
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    Until they figure out what they're doing with Cassel, there are no FA linemen in the Pats' future.
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    Chris Baker, DE at Hampton.

    Kid has 1st round talent and a 10 cent brain. He will get picked in the later rounds, but he's twice gotten into serious off-the-field fights in his college career.
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    The way he moves around and his size 6'3 245lbs I was thinking more of an OLB behind Vraible pushing guys like Crable and Woods. But I totally agree they have to figure out the Cassel situation first then we will see where the domino's will fall. I have said it before I hope we Franchise Cassel and have him traded in that two or three week window before FA starts.
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    SS Stephen Hodge, TCU (6-0 214) - played like a true Rodney Jr. against Boise State in their bowl game.

    EDIT: From the TX vs The Nation weigh-in - S Stephen Hodge TCU 5'11 1/2"/236 8 1-2" hands, 30 3-4" arms....plus 22 pounds means he either slacked off and got fat or TCU were lying through their teeth or he's been hitting the weightroom and chow line hard since the season ended. This could be an effort to market himself as a 4-3 OLB for the draft, if he has any speed/quickness at that size I'd really love to get him for SS.
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    Slade Norris, OLB Oregon State(6'3"-245lbs.)

    Kind of a tweener guy but could be a good fit at olb in the 3-4. He has a ton of TFL and seems to set the edge well. Could be a late round pick or UDFA that could be a pass rush specialist.
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    The two-week window is for franchising players. No trades until FA begins, however.
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    Sammie Lee Hill (6'3" 325)

    Another very raw player from a small school. Showed a little in the east west shrine game. From everthing I have found on him he is an athletic freak, runs a 5.0 fourty. Played DT, DE, TE, and FB for Stillman.

    here is an article on him.
    Sammie Lee Hill Interview
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    I second the Sammie Lee Hill suggestion. Sounds like a good kid, highly motivated, very athletic. Has great size. Also played a lot of basketball.

    Here's another link with more info:
    Tales: The Hunger of Sammie LeeHill - Mile High Report
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    Frantz Joseph(ILB-Florida Atlantic) - I've never seen this guy play, but some of the web sites have good things to say about him:


    From draftguys.com ...
    Frantz Joseph(ILB-Florida Atlantic) - Joseph is flat out fun to watch. He plays with a natural violence that would fit in with players like Ray Lewis and Jack Lambert, and he’ll blow up running backs and offensive lineman with the same zest and effectiveness. He looked good against the pass today, using body position to cover faster RBs, and breaking well on the ball in flight and timing his breakups to avoid penalties.


    From footballdraftanalysis.com ...
    Frantz Joseph ILB 6'2 235 Florida Atlantic
    Joseph started college off at Boston College, but then transferred to FAU
    after his Freshman year. Last season as a Junior, he set the single season
    Tackle record for FAU with 131. This was also the best in the Conference.
    While his numbers are impressive, it is the Sunbelt. So, he'll be underrated.
    He's a very active player who can lay the wood. He's on pace to be one of
    the top tacklers in the nation once again.
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    Henry Melton - DE - Texas 6'3" 280lb. He was a former rb that injured his knee
    at Texas. Played behind 2 highly touted 1st rounders. Orakpo this year. And,
    Sergio Kindle next year. They have his 40 time at 4.79. I thought he looked very
    good against Ohio St in the Fiesta Bowl. Keith "Tractor" Traylor started out as a
    rb and ate himself into a NG. Maybe, Melton can put on another 15-20 lbs and play
    de in our scheme. Or, get in better shape and be an edge pass-rusher and special teams
    deomon. I'm curious to see workouts at the Combine if he's invited. Nephew
    of former NFL player Ray Crockett. Who always thought he was better suited for
    defense than rb. 7th round. Matt Cassel type projection. College backup but appears
    to have size/speed to play in the NFL.
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    Good looking kid for MLB in a 4-3, I watched him in FAU's bowl game and he's playing Saturday in Texas vs The Nation. He'd need to work on taking on OL for the 3-4, I'll be watching to see if he shows me more in Saturday's game than I saw in his bowl game.
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    Glad you mentioned him, was trying to remember this guy. Second the Rodney Jr part, made alot of tackles with pop. Did play alot at the LOS.

    Maybe the 236 is a typo, if the 6' part is right hard to believe he got that big,,

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    No typo, NFL Draft Scout provided a spread sheet to download and had a note about his being 22 lbs heavier than TCU had reported. There's a couple items on his hitting in the TX v Nation thread links.
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    Hodge is a well known sleeper -- here's why:

    [Notes from the TX vs the Nation practices]
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    Thank you Box. I think CBS College Sports channel is part of Comcast sports package, hopefully I'll be able to watch Texas vs The Nation game.
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    The trade can't be facilitated until that time, but the Patriots can negotiate with other teams and allow Cassel to negotiate with potential trade partners.
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    This was kinda how I pictured it happening in a best case scenario. I bet BB has been talking with a lot of people at the Senior Bowl as well as the next few weeks. I hope pulls the trigger early in FA. If Kurt Warner wins the big game this weekend then I would say that Arizona will hold on to the best FA QB out there. Kerry Collins and Jeff Garcia are serviceable QB's but not Cassel. It will be interesting to see if a team wants to shore up their QB situation before FA heats up but defiantly before the draft.
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    I'm glad some people on this board are noticing Frantz. He's my homer binky for this draft (i go to Florida-Atlantic). Honestly, the kid has been our Jerod Mayo. He's number 2 in the nation for tackles. I know this past summer the Vikings, Chiefs, Steelers, Bucs, and Patriots sent scouts down here to look at him and a couple of other seniors. Yes, he is as good as advertised and us Owl fans are irate that he didn't get a combine invite..:mad: (how do go second in the nation in tackles and not get an invite?). He's a down to earth kid with a great motor and heart.

    While he's a little undersized I think he'd make a great special teamer and then maybe try and build from there.

    At this point i just want to see him get drafted we've only had a football team for 8 years and have yet to have a player get drafted or be on an active NFL roster. I'd be ecstatic if the Patriots picked him he's of quality character. Our coach Howard Schnellenberger is coaching the U.S. team in the U.S. Vs. Texas game so you can expect to see a lot of Frantz. We are really going to miss him in Boca.
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    He's not extremely deep, but I like CB Deangelo Smith out of Cincy as a late-round guy. I also second the Bernard Scott mention.
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    Kirston Pittman, DE/OLB , LSU

    6-3 Weight: 256 , 4.75~

    Had a very good junior year, back of the rotation OLB candidate.
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    Frantz Joseph FAU 6' 1 1/2"/243, 9 3/8" hands, 33 3/8" arms puts him 4 pounds lighter than Bruschi with long arms (Frantz's arms are 1/8" longer than 6'5" Michael Oher). Physically he has all the tools need to play for NE at ILB, the thing I'll be looking for is his ability to stack and shed an OL. Bruschi made his living by being very good with his hands to swat the OL's hands away and slither around them for make the tackle. Since he's slowed down, he's had to take them on more directly and hasn't been as effective. Mayo is currently taking on OL head-on and trying to shed them, hopefully the offseason program will allow him to work on his hand technique and he'll be able to use some of his quickness to slither by the OL. Frantz, based on his new weigh-in numbers and on-field performance (one game I've seen so far) is a better candidate for NE than James Laurinaitis. Where teams are going to grade him lower is his speed and coverage, just remember most of them are looking for sideline-to-sideline MLBs who can run with WRs. Keep the faith, FAU will get their first "drafted" player this time around.
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    Whoa, whoa...I love Brinkley, and what he's accomplished on that team, but Syracuse has a long, long way to go before they get to mediocre.
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    He plays Division II football. Thats a big reason for the inflated numbers. I'm not saying that he couldn't turn out good, but that's certainly a red flag. He hasn't exactly faced the stiffest competition at the college level.

    Bernard also carries some character red flags.

    "He did not play his senior season after being involved in an off-field fight. He has been arrested at least five times and is finishing 18 months of probation for giving false information to a police officer during a traffic stop. He is attending his fourth college since 2003."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/29/sports/ncaafootball/29scott.html
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