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  1. jct

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    21. NE- Chad Greenway LB, Iowa
    52. NE- Maurice Stovall WR, Notre Dame
    75. NE- Gerris Wilkerson LB, Georgia Tech
    86. NE- Bernard Pollard S, Purdue
    106. NE- Maurice Drew RB, UCLA
    118. NE- Hank Baskett WR, New Mexico
    136. NE- Joe Toledo OT, Washington
    191. NE- Steve Fifita DT, Utah
    205. NE- Steven Gostkowski K, Memphis
    206. NE- Cooper Wallace TE, Auburn
    229. NE- Rashon Powers-Neal FB, Notre Dame
     
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    I think you reached for Wilkerson. I think you have Drew going to late. Don't care for the Fifita pick because of his height. The guy is shorter than Klecko.
    I think that Gostkowski could be gotten in the 7th.

    Pollard is an interesting pick. I don't know if he's better than what the Pats currently have so I don't know if they would draft him.
     
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    Thanks for being a target. :D
     
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    jct Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/9359993
    Wilkerson is biggest and fastest prospect at his position.
    Greenway was evaluated as a top 15 talent based on performance and slid based on athleticism.
    We have the time and patience for him to develop. He is the best choice.
    Suppose you can swap the selections a little bit.
    I wanted to focus on defense, and grab 2 possession Wrs and fill in holes.
    Probably we'll pick BPA and no one can project that.
    With post draft cuts we'll balance out the roster.
    What I don't want to see is not spending to the cap this year or frontloading seymour or pushing NTLBE incentives (Cap space) to next year.
    We have the 7th easiest schedule.
    Let's win it all again THIS YEAR!!
     
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    Were you looking at height? The determining factor for ILB is weight (Bruschi 247, Vrabel 261, Ted Johnson was 254, Phifer was 250-ish) , by weight, Wilkinson is the smallest - he is a good fit for a 4-3 MLB who needs more speed to cover more ground (1/3 of the field). An ILB is responsible for 1/4 of the field, but doesn't have the big DL shielding him from the big OL, so he needs to be heavier to take the punishment.
     
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    Take out Maurice Drew and pencil in Virginia Tech's Cedric Humes. I bet he ends up being our project HB.
     
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    nooooooooooooo!!!!!!!! humes is just another antoine womack....i really think maroney will fall into the middle 2nd round, and pats will trade up to snatch him
     
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    NO WAY. Humes isn't nearly as good as Drew from what I saw of him.
     
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    A few things:

    1) Most teams are talking about moving Greenway to ILB in the 3-4. If that were to happen, you wouldn't need to take Wilkerson. Who, btw, is NOT the biggest and fastest. I believe that Tim Dobbins at 246lbs is faster than Wilkerson at 231. As Box mentioned, Wilkerson is a better MLB.

    2) While I somewhat agree with Box regarding the 2nd WR, I was fine with your picks because DREW is a KR/PR type player.

    3) The pats do NOT pick by BPA. They draft by BVA. Best VALUE available. That value consists of team need, a player's tangible and intangible assets, and projected development.

    4) You need to take into consideration the Pats current roster. The fact of the matter is that they have like 14 DBs on the roster and 3 emergency DBs in Brown, Childress and Davis. At LB, they currently have Bruschi, Vrabel, Colvin, Banta-Cain, Alexander, Claridge, Izzo, Davis and Beisel. Vrabel, Bruschi and Colving are guaranteed to be starters unless injured. Alexander has been a practice squadder and playes 2 games on special teams before hitting the IR in 2004. TBC and Beisel are excellent special teamers but big ????? when it comes to regular playing time. Claridge was having a good TC in 2005 before he was injured. It was said that he was playing TJs old position. Izzo and Davis are strictly special teamers. I thought both of them would be cut LAST year, but a lot of things happened and they played. And they didn't play all that well. Izzo had 16 special teams tackles in 16 games. Stone had 13 in 9 games. So, I expect Izzo to be on the bubble again.

    5) Don't expect there to be a lot of June 1st cuts. Why? Because most teams are under the salary cap by a significant amount right now so they don't need to make the June 1st cuts. NEXT YEAR, you should expect a lot of June 1 cuts. especially with the salary cap going up so little (only 7 million) in comparison to the 16.5-17 million it went up this year.
     
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    1)Although your post seems contrary on the surface, I think in general we agree about a number of things. My inspiration for this thread comes from the Patriots Buliten Board contest for draft selection.
    I think that Greenway (95 solos, 61 asssits for 156 total tackles. 10 TFLs, 2 sacks. )
    and Wilkerson(2005: 85 tackles, 9 TFL, 4 sacks, 2 interceptions, 2 pass breakups
    2004: 119 tackles, 17 TFL, 4.5 sacks, 1 interception, 2 pass breakups, 1 forced fumble ) have the most long term value to our team. Potentially with their bigger frames they can develop into super athletes (BVA). Wilkerson is the tallest and faster listed in the NFL link quoted.
    2)Drew is the smurf that Box wants.
    3)BPA/BVA almost same thing. BB aproaches building the team by value, but in the 2nd and succeeding round of the draft all players can be bargains.
    4) My selections were made based upon FA and team needs. Net IMO we most need LBs and WRs, a K,a TE, a QB and camp competition.
    5) You are correct, however eventually there must be more FAs cut. Teams are unable to keep more than 53 players.
     
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    Wasn't Pollard suspended for getting into an argument with the Purdue HC, Tiller I think???? If this is the guy I'm thinking about, this guy has tons of attittude problems and character issues.
     
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    You have the right guy, but according to those in the locker room (I've read), the Coach was to blame for the flare-up. Tiller had a personal problem with him, and Pollard gave it right back at him. It's a concern, but not enough for me to take him of my board.
     
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    1) Its your guess that Wilkerson could put on the weight and not lose any mobility. I don't see it happening. I don't see him being able to put on 20 lbs and not slowing down. While Wilkerson is 6'3, he's only 231. So, he's undersized for the Patriots defense. He'd need to add 20 lbs. Its unlikely that his adding 20 lbs will keep him at the speed he ran. Also, Spencer Havner is 6'4, 242 and ran a 4.69. I am not going to quibble over .03 seconds. Havner's 3 cone speed is almost a half second faster than Wilkerson's.

    2) Box isn't the only one who has wanted Drew. A lot of people do because of his speed and the fact he's a wrecking ball back there. 5'7 and 207 or something like that. As I said, he's not going to last into the 4th round.

    3) If you had read the article a couple years ago that the Globe (?) did on BB and how they set up their draft board, you would know this to be false. BPA and BVA aren't the same thing.

    4) If your selections were based on Free Agency and team need, then why did you add Pollard so early? As I pointed out, the Pats have 14 DBs. They actually have 8 safeties signed to go to camp. Also, why did you not take into consideration Wilkerson being under-weight for the Pats ILB position.

    5) You are right. Teams will have to eventually cut down to 53 players. However, teams can have a maximum of 80 players PLUS NFLE Exemptions. Teams only have to cut down to 75 players before the last pre-season game. And then its the cut to 53 prior to the start of the season. That is all part of the new CBA.
     
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