Patriots 'part ways' with OL coach Dave DeGuglielmo

BTTA · Jan 26, 2016

Patsrock said:
But still not available. Skins would have to release him from his contract and don't think they will do that at all.

The only time a team has to grant permission for a interview is if the coach is going for a Head Coach position.

It's a joke...it's a joke. OMG.

Kontradiction · Jan 26, 2016

Although he didn't have the best luck with injuries, the team obviously felt a change was needed. The OL never really improved in 2014. The Pats simply schemed around it. This year, it was exposed again.

Froob · Jan 26, 2016

I think the worst part of it all wasn't them getting just completely dominated but, all the false starts. One false start was a complete drive killer. I can't recall them getting a first down after a false start. Scar would be great to have back, but it's not like the O-line never shat the bed under him before. Almost all the playoff losses in this era have been because of the O-line. At least half of them.

Galeb · Jan 26, 2016

Froob said:
I think the worst part of it all wasn't them getting just completely dominated but, all the false starts. One false start was a complete drive killer. I can't recall them getting a first down after a false start. Scar would be great to have back, but it's not like the O-line never shat the bed under him before. Almost all the playoff losses in this era have been because of the O-line. At least half of them.

False starts happen in away games with loud stadiums. That can be excused, but the poor all around execution can't. Let's hope it gets sorted out for 2016. Brady isn't getting any younger.

TomPatriot · Jan 26, 2016

We can blame Googs and all that but remember that the OL was poor in the 2013 AFCCG against the Ravens when Scar was OLC. Of course, that production was not as bad as this.

The Pats run a precision offense and protection is paramount, especially with one of the least mobile QBs in the game. Instead, they got one of the worst performances imaginable. And they still almost sent the game into OT.

Froob · Jan 26, 2016

Galeb said:
False starts happen in away games with loud stadiums. That can be excused, but the poor all around execution can't. Let's hope it gets sorted out for 2016. Brady isn't getting any younger.

Not that many, if there had been 2-3 sure but, there must have been like 5-6 maybe 7. And everyone was a drive killer.

JMC00 · Jan 26, 2016

DaBruinz said:
Bill Belichick just drafted Mason and Jackson for the O-line. You think he's going to give up on them after 1 season? Not happening. And they liked what they saw in Waddle. He could be the Cannon replacement people want..

Solder, Vollmer, Cannon, Stork, Andrews, Mason, Jackson, Kline is what the Pats have for next year. I'm sure they will bring in a vet or two for the minimum and probably some UDFAs, but it's unlikely they put any high draft capital in something other than OT. And there aren't a ton of OTs in this draft..

Ya. Maybe they grab an OT in the draft with hopes that he could be potentially a Vollmer replacement down the road.

Think Cannon's days maybe numbered if he doesn't restructure his deal to a smaller number. Especially having Waddle signed for next year.

But BB's just spent the last 2 drafts retooling his IOL

Stork last year. Mason, Jackson and Andrews this year. Solder-Mason-Stork-Jackson-Vollmer could be a solid OL. We just never got to see it this year due to injuries and now that Mason and Jackson have a season in the pros and maybe whoever Belichick has in mind to be the new OL coach is a guy that could progress Mason and Jackson even more.

RobertWeathers · Jan 26, 2016

I think it's pretty simple why the canned him. BB didn't think the players were improving and prepared as much as they should be. Injuries or no injuries. Gugs was not doing his job.

What is interesting is how quickly this happened. It's been said that Gugs saw this coming, wasn't embracing the Patriot Way and disgruntled by not being part of the discussions around personnel. Not sure about all that but whatever was said, at the end of that discussion BB felt that he needed to upgrade the coaching position.

turkeyneck · Jan 26, 2016

Improvement - or lack thereof - is the key. BB has remarked any number of times in regard to individual players that improvement, learning from your errors, is what he looks for. When a player doesn't show that, he's gone. When your whole OL corps doesn't show that, you've got to look to the next level. That's Googs. He's gone.

varjao · Jan 26, 2016

My binky Fleming unfortunately proved he can't be any decent either at guard or tackle. Maybe he stays as depth since he is still in a rookie contract but Cannon needs to go, someday he will end Brady's career.

TheRazorsEdge · Jan 26, 2016

robertweathers said:
I think it's pretty simple why the canned him. BB didn't think the players were improving and prepared as much as they should be. Injuries or no injuries. Gugs was not doing his job.

What is interesting is how quickly this happened. It's been said that Gugs saw this coming, wasn't embracing the Patriot Way and disgruntled by not being part of the discussions around personnel. Not sure about all that but whatever was said, at the end of that discussion BB felt that he needed to upgrade the coaching position.

I am the one claiming to have heard from reliable source about all that. Again, I could have been lied to although I don't believe I was (said cousin brought Gug to the office to impress the higher ups of our company). Just sort of lining up what I've heard to info already out there , it doesn't seem like wrong info. At the end of the day your final assessment is spot on...no matter what his role actually was and how much say/power he actually had .. He was not doing his job and it was evident with the product we saw the second half of the season. As someone had mentioned SCAR was able to guide some bad/depleted lines to atleast be respectable come Sunday. What we witnessed from the halfway point on was pathetic in hindsight, and now looking back , this move makes total sense.

grux · Jan 26, 2016

I am not putting all of the blame on Goog's but these numbers are terrible. Brady's career is going to be cut short if there isn't some major improvements.

juny · Jan 26, 2016

varjao said:
My binky Fleming unfortunately proved he can't be any decent either at guard or tackle. Maybe he stays as depth since he is still in a rookie contract but Cannon needs to go, someday he will end Brady's career.

he's a backup at best, on one play where the pats were backed up near the goal line, he was brought in as a 6th lineman. He had one job, protect the edge. what happened? Miller beat him, not even touched! and brady got sacked

tasmlab · Jan 26, 2016

Matt Light!

I don't know if he could do it, but it would make for an interesting press release.

Snake Eyes · Jan 26, 2016

JMC00 said:
Think Cannon's days maybe numbered if he doesn't restructure his deal to a smaller number. Especially

Why would you even want him on the team? He's proven that he cannot play the position.

reflexblue · Jan 26, 2016

juny said:
Another example of the OL acting like bull fighters, Cannon and Mason blow assignments and lets loose Jackson.

Look at that, i watched that till i couldn't take it any more. I don't understand why cannon was given a new contract last year.

grux · Jan 26, 2016

juny said:
Another example of the OL acting like bull fighters, Cannon and Mason blow assignments and lets loose Jackson.

Did Cannon and Mason place a bet on Denver? This is embarrassing.

Peachhead · Jan 26, 2016

luuked said:
Quite honestly I don't think this is as much about the AFCCG, but more about colliding philosophies and a resulting lack of development. If what we are hearing through the grapevines is true that Googe had less input on last year's draft than a post-retirement Scar then something was definitely going wrong.

I honestly think that Googe just didn't know how to properly maximize players that fit the Dante Scarnecchia mold. It would also explain the devastatingly bad performances of players like Devey and Cannon over the last two years and the lack of development of Mason and Jackson this year. All of them were Scarnecchia type players and could not perform up to a reasonable level.

This season was sabotaged without us all knowing shortly after training camp when Connolly retired and Wendell was lost to IR because a lot of the fundamental issues were covered up by a fast moving offense with Dion Lewis. After we lost Solder and Lewis tore his ACL the cracks started to show and our offense was never the same. I really think BB, McD, Caserio and DeGuglielmo comprehensively underestimated the loss of the two veteran guards and overestimated how much they could coach up the rookies.

Dante liked uber-athletic (for an O-linemen) 300 pound guys. Since he left we've drafted, I think it's, 5 much bigger guys with average at best athleticism. Googs was coaching players thought to fit his system. Sure Vollmer & Solder were Dante's guys, but the interior O-line was all Googs' guys and Vollmer and Solder missed significant time.

Additionally, Googs was the O-line coach who put the prospects through their paces at the 2014 & 2015 combine. I don't believe for a second that Googs "had no input on" the OL we drafted, as some have suggested.

Patsrock · Jan 26, 2016

Froob said:
Not that many, if there had been 2-3 sure but, there must have been like 5-6 maybe 7. And everyone was a drive killer.

There was 4 false starts. 3 on offense and 1 ST.

mb6592 · Jan 26, 2016

SVN said:
Very surprised. A very unpatriot like move to make a decision day after the game, especially considering the injuries the oline dealt with this year. Googs cant fix cannon.

alvinnf said:
Are you sure the last part of this statement is true? Stork good last year, cannon better last year. When guys are sliding backwards in that profession it's easy to link to ineffective coaching.

Chicken or the egg argument. One thing is certain, an offense predicated on the quarterback having to always release the football in little more than 2 seconds is destined to run into a defense that exposes the need for this (i.e. new England's offensive line in every big game we've lost in the past seemingly 20 years). It was always going to be the offensive line that would let this team down (apologies to Ghost who deserves some of that notoriety). WTF McDaniels/Belichick didn't max protect (or at least chip with RB) after that abomination of a first half will remain a mystery. I was thinking, only down 8, can't wait for the second half adjustments. Alas, they never came.

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