OT: Should we give credit to Andrew Luck's Colts for finally putting up a decent fight last night?

Very much agree with B2M....he seems like a good kid. That punk Grigson though seems like a slime-ball whose jealousy of TFB is as obvious as the stupidity of that circus formation last night.

His balls are sailing so he needs to calm down a bit, play within himself...the Colts organization though, they are pretty pathetic...

Have they hung the SNF participant banner yet?

Halifax_Pats_Fan said:

Very much agree with B2M....he seems like a good kid. That punk Grigson though seems like a slime-ball whose jealousy of TFB is as obvious as the stupidity of that circus formation last night.

His balls are sailing so he needs to calm down a bit, play within himself...the Colts organization though, they are pretty pathetic...

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Grigson looks like this guy that used to tend bar at Michaels Harboside in Newburyport 25 years ago. I think they nailed him for serving minors.

no, i dont like luck anymore. media never criticizes his **** performances. guy is a turnover machine but always gets a pass.

also, belichick is his daddy!!

Rob0729 said:

I don't hate Luck, but I think he is vastly overrated. He has been anointed as an elite QB before he has been anywhere close to it. I think he is good, but I don't know if he will ever be elite.

Brady has had teams as bad as the Colts' teams and done more. So has Manning and Brees.

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Luck is a more mobile Drew Bledsoe.

robertweathers said:

Luck is a more mobile Drew Bledsoe.

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I call him Brett Favre Lite.

Rob0729 said:

The Colts' defense couldn't stop the Pats until they got conservative in the fourth. If the Pats weren't trying to run down the clock rather than embarrass them, the Pats might have scored close to 50 points. The Pats didn't punt until their second drive in the third quarter and the only time they didn't score in the first half was when Edelman bobbled a catch right into Adams' hands for a gift pick six.

The game wasn't as close as the score indicated. Take away the gift pick 6 and the garbage time TD and the Colts lose by 20 points. Do we give them credit for that?

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They got another gift when McCourty got called for PI that wasn't PI because the WR ran himself out of bounds. Would have been 2nd & 18 from the 26. Possible they only come away with 3 from that drive. Which then you are looking at a possibly 24 point lose. Which would have been the 2nd biggest victory, points differential-wise of Brady/Luck.

JMC00 said:

They got another gift when McCourty got called for PI that wasn't PI because the WR ran himself out of bounds. Would have been 2nd & 18 from the 26. Possible they only come away with 3 from that drive. Which then you are looking at a possibly 24 point lose. Which would have been the 2nd biggest victory, points differential-wise of Brady/Luck.

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That was such a BS call.

Rob0729 said:

I call him Brett Favre Lite.

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That works.

Not to mention the ball wasn't catchable on that PI. Is that even part of the rule anymore because no one seems to care about it.

Not really. Its been mentioned a couple times but this really felt like their Superbowl. They threw everything they could at us and still came up short. Honestly the score should not have been as close as it was. I guess good for them for losing by less than 20 for the first time. But they are still overrated and will lose to every team with a winning record.

It was close to a 'worst case scenario' game for the Pats--pick 6 that never should have happened, bad PI call that led to a TD, offense decided to go into a shell in the 4th quarter for unknown reasons. Yet the Pats still won and dominated most of the game.

The Colts are who we thought they were. Yeah they put up more of a fight than in some past games but I think those games are more the outliers than anything--they're not a terrible team, they're just mediocre, masked by a terrible division. And as others have said this was their SB, this was their 'throw everything and the kitchen sink at em' game, and it was still teetering on the brink of being a blowout.

The Pats, to me, are 2 TD's better than the Colts on any given day, minus the pick 6 that's what ultimately happened and it took a disgusting final quarter for even that to happen. This game showed the Colts to be what they are--not an embarrassment, but not ready to hang with the NFL's best--and also showed the Pats to be a team that can't fall asleep and expect to cruise to a W. Belichick preaches 60 minutes of football, sometimes I wish he talked to McDaniels about that because the playcalling in the 4th is the only thing that kept the game close.

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Brady has had teams as bad as the Colts' teams and done more. So has Manning and Brees.

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I was thinking about this with the Ravens this year — this is what "elite" quarterbacks should do, and yet Flacco is QB of a 1-5 team.

I'll give Manning and Brees some of the credit you give them, but they're not close to Brady in this category.

I thought the pick 6 when Edelman bobbled the ball changed the complexion of the whole game. I thought Brady played great but he looked like he was tense and not having much fun. Once the Patriots went up by 13 points, they went conservative and tried to run the time out. Brings me back to the time of clock killing Corey Dillon. That blocked FG was huge. It dropped the percentages of how the Colts could win the game even lower. Still another turnover by the Patriots could have made this one a nail biter at the end of the game. I hate the prevent defense as it never seems to prevent the other team from scoring. It just prevents the other team from scoring more quickly. The rash of injuries may have the Patriots adopt a more conservative game plan. I will be glad when LaFell comes back. We need that outside threat as teams are discovering new ways to limit the inside passing game. I was impressed with Cannon. Even after his injury he played a few more plays and even hobbling around with one good leg they couldn't get pass him. Brady collected a couple of footballs from the game and he stated that he didn't save any balls for himself. I think the footballs were for McNally and Jastremski. I thought this game was going to be a blowout, I was wrong.
Thankfully an unlucky bounce didn't cost us a game this time.

It was, after all, their Superbowl game of the 2015 season. I expected their best and we saw it. Without their opening drive for a TD to start the game this probably is over by the half. Give em credit, they came out swinging.

Response to the OT question is NO.

Great heads-up play by their corner to turn that Edelman bobble into a TD. The Colts absolutely deserve credit for that. They had good coverage on Edelman most of the night, contributed to a couple drops/pbu's.

Conversely, I do not agree with most posters that the Pats deserve credit for all the interceptions they could have made.

Also I'm not sure I live in the same universe as other observers, one in which we can count on being a healthier team later in the season when/if the Pats play the Colts again.

Brady_2_Moss said:

I'm in the minority here, but I like Luck. He seems like a genuinely good guy, but happens to play for a horrible organization. I think he is a good QB that will probably languish with a mediocre team and will never really achieve his potential. I also give him credit for playing last night, he could have easily backed out with his injury to take the heat off. I'm sure the Colts will blow up the coaching staff next season, so he may be more of a threat if they can manage to get competent coaches.

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I don't think Luck's a good guy at all.
I didn't like the deflate remark he made a while back. He claimed it was a joke but I bet Brady didn't laugh.
I don't think that he had any other choice but to play last night. He actually looked the same.
I do agree that he's a good QB, just not a great one and nothing like he's propped up to be.
And we are in total agreement that Indy is a horrible organization.

erikjones said:

I was at the game and the only reason it felt close pretty much through the 3rd quarter was because of Edelman's drop and the resulting pick6. If it was 27-14 after the first drive of the 2nd half and 34-14 after the "fake punt", we probably wouldn't be having this conversation right now.

The Pats missed out on several interceptions by just a few inches. Butler, McCourty, Collins...if they pulled one or two of those in like they usually do, we are talking about another blowout. Luck is still Luck, nothing changed.

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Football doesn't work like that though. You can't remove a good play that they made, and then say "if we made that play that we didn't". I thought that we put up a good win, and definitely looked like the better team. But if you feel the need to remove a play that the opponents made(or two), and say that we made a play that we didn't make to call it a blowout, then it's not a blowout.


I'm not being down on the Pats, or hailing the Colts. I'm just down on the practise of removing and adding stuff to make teams and players look (even) better