Could Goodell's end come quickly?

1. Roger Goodell and the owners have agreed that one of his top responsibilities and goals is to minimize the NFL's exposure to scandals. On that score, he has failed spectacularly. He has made both Brady and himself into major lightning rods for criticism, through a sequence of very avoidable errors, the biggest of which are (from the perspective of the average owner):

• He made, or supported the making of, a minor issue into a Very Big Deal.
• He was caught lying to the public, and now is under major media attack himself.

The owners must be very disappointed in him in that respect.

2. Since Goodell lied to everybody else, there's a good chance he lied to the owners as well. If they feel he did, they won't like that.

3. Dumping Goodell would indeed tamp down the scandal problems a lot. Suppose:

• Goodell resigns because he doesn't want to be a distraction from the greatness of the game.
• All PSIgate discipline will be re-decided by a neutral arbitrator after next season, when measurements have been taken at every game in the interim.

How much of the scandal would then endure?

I think it would be a fairly small fraction.

If he did this on his own perhaps....yes.

But what if some owners pressured him to do this ....faulty evidence and all ...then it will be buried.

IcyPatriot said:

If he did this on his own perhaps....yes.

But what if some owners pressured bim to do this ....faulty evidnce and all ...then it will be buried.

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I doubt that owners instigated it.

I doubt that he even instigated it.

Rather, I think it was instigated by some combination of Kensil, Vincent, Pash et al.

I wouldn't mind if Goodell's end was more painful and drawn out.


Oh...you meant his career as commissioner. In that case, yes, I do hope it end quickly.

Wouldn't write his obituary yet. We still need a favorable ruling.

Fencer said:

I doubt that owners instigated it.

I doubt that he even instigated it.

Rather, I think it was instigated by some combination of Kensil, Vincent, Pash et al.

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Goodell is getting too much "credit". I think the underlings have it out for BB, screwed up, and RG is too simple minded to clean the mess his crew created.

Deflate gate exoneration following 101: never get your hopes up on anything until it actually happens.

Jim Colclough fan said:

Wouldn't write his obituary yet. We still need a favorable ruling.

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I'm describing what regrettably is still a low-likelihood scenario.

That said, I thought of it as a possible outcome of the Aug 11 owner's meeting, even ahead of a ruling (i.e. driving a settlement).

I saw the title of this thread and got excited.

Fencer said:

I doubt that owners instigated it.

I doubt that he even instigated it.

Rather, I think it was instigated by some combination of Kensil, Vincent, Pash et al.

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But that implies that Goodell is too dumb to have read real independent science reports and was too dumb to make it known to Wells that he wanted the truth -- that seems even worse for a commissioner than being biased.

Oh yeah -- one other offense is wasting millions of dollars on botched investigations and lawsuits.

Tens of millions, probably, if you take the various scandals together.

voluntarysaftey said:

But that implies that Goodell is too dumb to have read real independent science reports and was too dumb to make it known to Wells that he wanted the truth -- that seems even worse for a commissioner than being biased.

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On the science -- too dumb or uncaring.

On the Wells report overall -- already sucked into following where his minions had maneuvered him.

Fencer said:

1. Roger Goodell and the owners have agreed that one of his top responsibilities and goals is to minimize the NFL's exposure to scandals. On that score, he has failed spectacularly. He has made both Brady and himself into major lightning rods for criticism, through a sequence of very avoidable errors, the biggest of which are (from the perspective of the average owner):

• He made, or supported the making of, a minor issue into a Very Big Deal.
• He was caught lying to the public, and now is under major media attack himself.

The owners must be very disappointed in him in that respect.

2. Since Goodell lied to everybody else, there's a good chance he lied to the owners as well. If they feel he did, they won't like that.

3. Dumping Goodell would indeed tamp down the scandal problems a lot. Suppose:

• Goodell resigns because he doesn't want to be a distraction from the greatness of the game.
• All PSIgate discipline will be re-decided by a neutral arbitrator after next season, when measurements have been taken at every game in the interim.

How much of the scandal would then endure?

I think it would be a fairly small fraction.

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now that we've seen brady's emails...lets see goodells emails.

Fencer said:

I'm describing what regrettably is still a low-likelihood scenario.

That said, I thought of it as a possible outcome of the Aug 11 owner's meeting, even ahead of a ruling (i.e. driving a settlement).

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Truly hoping your thought becomes reality; and you're right next week's owners meeting will kick off some heated discussions on a re-structuring of the NFL front office. It has to happen, the national ridicule of Goodell's leadership and management team is far beyond an acceptable level.

Kraft is done, with time he'll sway others.

Fencer said:

I doubt that owners instigated it.

I doubt that he even instigated it.

Rather, I think it was instigated by some combination of Kensil, Vincent, Pash et al.

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It doesn't matter if he did not instigate it.

As the commissioner he had the power to shut this down the minute news broke. He didnt because he didn't want to or was asleep at the wheel.

Either way he demonstrated a unparalleled level of incompetence.

Goodell's demise is way premature. As I have said previously, 31 owners, teams, fan bases and the vast majority of mediots cheer when the Pats are punished so he is definitely not doing the unpopular thing. They are more than happy to tolerate some excesses in what they perceive to be a righteous cause. This is not going to raise the ire of women's groups or child safety groups likely let off Rice easy when Kraft was his biggest protector.The underlying story was written in 2007 when Kraft let Goodell paint the Pats as cheaters rather than supporting his coach and the truth. I would not be surprised if Rooney and Mara cause him to cave again for the good of the League since it is obvious he has no friends or influence in the league. I don't discount that they will try to use a Kraft as an emissary to try to convince Brady to accept some suspension for the good of the team.

flasox27 said:

Goodell's demise is way premature. As I have said previously, 31 owners, teams, fan bases and the vast majority of mediots cheer when the Pats are punished so he is definitely not doing the unpopular thing. They are more than happy to tolerate some excesses in what they perceive to be a righteous cause. This is not going to raise the ire of women's groups or child safety groups likely let off Rice easy when Kraft was his biggest protector.The underlying story was written in 2007 when Kraft let Goodell paint the Pats as cheaters rather than supporting his coach and the truth. I would not be surprised if Rooney and Mara cause him to cave again for the good of the League since it is obvious he has no friends or influence in the league. I don't discount that they will try to use a Kraft as an emissary to try to convince Brady to accept some suspension for the good of the team.

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Kraft's statements last week were strong and direct. IMO, he is 100% behind Tom Brady and whatever lengths Brady decides to take. Don't see Kraft trying to influence Brady with "good for the team" discussions.

With the release of the court transcripts more and more national opinions are changing. Not because they support Tom Brady, instead they see a heavy handed, power hungry and morally compromised NFL front office. As more of the inner workings of the NFL front office become public; IMO the fan and media base will seek change in policy and possibly personnel.

Like many postings this is only a speculation.......

flasox27 said:

I don't discount that they will try to use a Kraft as an emissary to try to convince Brady to accept some suspension for the good of the team.

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They surely will. So Kraft will surely have an opportunity to explain that he not only won't comply, but that he will participate in the PR hell that will be unleashed upon the league unless PSIgate comes to a rapid and fair conclusion. And all that time he'll sound like the warm Jewish grandfather that he is.

Kraft makes plenty of mistakes, but he also often remedies them. Recall, for example, his role as an interfering owner, "helping" with detailed draft prospect evaluations. That hasn't happened for a very long time.

the owners like him to take shots from everywhere and icnrease the revenue of the league. Even this bungling and lies they dont care. Everyone knows he lied during the rice case and now with brady. Has goodell or league office even addressed it once ? Do you think Goodell will ever explain his mischaracterization of brady in his ruling or why he claimed the investigation was independent ? People will write articles, call him a liar, league as corrupt but its like water of the back for that shameless group . Because sometimes it requires personal integrity to standup and accept responsibility .But for him 44m$ is enough to sell his integrity if he ever had it. So the owners have the perfect guy to take all the crap and lie . Hard to find more corrupt people with no integrity to handle their dirty business.
Once the games start people will forget . Unless there is really incriminating coming out (I wish TMZ finds a video or some texts) i dont see owners voting goodell out. That is the sad reality.