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Patriots Legal Counsel Rebuttal of Wells Report


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Make Brady the King and make Belichick General of the Military. Belichick's intelligence will easily outmatch the rest of the country in case we invade and conquer the rest of the U.S.

"We're on to New York."
 
this legal team didn't even fix the glaring typo. when anderson cooper or rachel nichols chuckle at 'weight loss' we have a major problem.
maybe they didn't think this through.

i can't get rid of the bad after taste. i think we went to far. the whole rebuttal had enough goodies. but one bad apple can spoil the whole bunch. just very disappointing if you ask me.
Joe, I get it. It was not up to your standards. But this will make you feel better. As bad as you think this is the NFL is such deep **** right now there is not much that could derail the Pats case. This is a lot bigger than the meaning of deflator. Even if the Pats are found guilty (which they wont) that still dosent change the fact that the NFL is gone too far.
 
Brady all he way.....I literally had someone get pissy with me at work today about the Patriots being cheaters, they hate Brady etc...I asked did you actually read either report, they said no....I said well than don't talk to me about it, it's people like you that are the problem, just going off the headlines! Screw the haters! :)

"There's a tribe in Papua New Guinea where, when a hunter flaunts his success to the rest of the village, they kill him and drive away evil spirits with a drum made of his skin. Superstitious nonsense, of course - but one can see their point."
-- Sheldon Cooper

We are that tribe.

Edit, wait, no I f'd up the metaphor, we are that hunter.
 
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They should have thrown in there, "As it became clear the Colts and the league had a sting in place and knew that we were being framed, when up 45-7 with 5:58 remaining in the 4th qtr, we had Tom throw a bomb to LaFell. We were disappointed that the final score was not 52-7.".
 
Make Brady the King and make Belichick General of the Military. Belichick's intelligence will easily outmatch the rest of the country in case we invade and conquer the rest of the U.S.

"We're on to New York."

The six governors of the New England states should call on the National Guard and march on to 345 Park Avenue, NYC. I would be perfectly ok with fighting a civil war over this. :)
 
this legal team didn't even fix the glaring typo. when anderson cooper or rachel nichols chuckle at 'weight loss' we have a major problem.
maybe they didn't think this through.

i can't get rid of the bad after taste. i think we went to far. the whole rebuttal had enough goodies. but one bad apple can spoil the whole bunch. just very disappointing if you ask me.

@wolverinejoe80 I don't know the slightest thing about crisis management or public relations. What I do know is that Robert Kraft owns a multi-billion dollar business that commands the knowledge and expertise of distinguished lawyers and consultants. And right now, these same people are factoring in every little consideration, thinking short- and long-term, and weighing all the risks and rewards. If they feel compelled to offer an explanation for a text message -- even if it sounds silly -- then they have every right to do so, if it helps build their case.

Like you, I also was embarrassed by the 'deflator' defense. But after hearing from other posters, I quickly realized that none of that ridicule matters. This case will not come down to who has the best soundbites or who can curry the most favor from the masses. The media is not the one who decides whether to uphold the penalties against Brady....those decisions will most likely be determined by the Federal Court.....and once you get into that realm, there's an entirely different basis for arriving at decisions. So let the comedians and commentators mock us on TV...at the end of the day, it's the lawyers who always get the last laugh. ;)
 
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they weren't under oath. they can change the narrative. weight loss argument killed the credibility of the entire report - that's the consensus verdict around the country. yeah, it's sad because everything else kicked ass.

I care more about the draft picks and the four game suspension than what the media/people think about sound bites. If you feel otherwise because it makes you angry to read all the ridicule and hearing **** from your coworkers (or whatever) then let me break the ugly truth for you. It would have happened anyway. If they leave out the deflator part, they can't really include their detailed reasoning for why they didn't facilitate another iview with McNally and then people start chirping away at that or whatever other sound bite. There was never a scenario in which the majority of the mediots/ public suddenly would be on our side.

As usual it is important to control the narrative. That's why it is good that all of the silly business came out on our terms.
 
more like grasping at straws. why is it so hard to understand that this won't help the case? truth or no truth, this just make us look really bad. make us really desperate.

You continue to demonstrate that the concept of "truth" is inscrutable to you. I don't know what else to tell you, until you begin to understand that concept.
 
The truth is often ugly or stupid sounding but it is the truth. If you are going to haqve people testifying under oath, they had better be telling the truth. Wells and Blandino have already been caught in lies that will come out in court.
 
I care more about the draft picks and the four game suspension than what the media/people think about sound bites. If you feel otherwise because it makes you angry to read all the ridicule and hearing **** from your coworkers (or whatever) then let me break the ugly truth for you. It would have happened anyway.

This sting has made it abundantly clear that there are plenty of people in high places in the League that want to bring down the Pats, and that they will manufacture something to do so. If it weren't this "scandal", it would have been something else. They simply can't stand to see the Pats winning, dominating, and enjoying it. We all know people with this particular developmental handicap.
 
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Okay, here's the thing about being "The Deflator."

You give balls to Tom. Tom screams at you. You let some air out, shooting for 12.85. Tom grumbles. Tom gets 16 PSI balls in one game, Tom screams bloody murder. You're the peon that gets yelled at constantly just for trying to do your job. You gripe (not on Twitter mind you, but in personal texts to your immediate boss) and you let it out with humor. Not the pressure on the ball, the pressure on you.

You change your target to 12.6 after Tom gets the (ref-overinflated) 16.0 ball(s).

Think about what we know vs. what the assumption is:

Tom is assuming he got an overinflated ball because you're bad at your job. Somehow a new target gets put in place, 12.6 instead of 12.85 - clearly an attempt to deal, by your SOP, with the screw-up.

But the screw-up is by the officiating crew. The NFL official either didn't give a sh*t how hard that ball was going to be, or he was trying to teach the Pats a lesson about always bringing them a ball they think is 12.85. But we know from the Wells report that different gauges can easily differ by .45 - and probably more. There is no standard for the gauges. They don't appear to be league-supplied equipment. It is not important enough that gauges are calibrated by NFL Standard Pressure or some such Greenwich Mean Time equivalent. There is no Atomic Gauge maintained by NIST, no bar of some precious metal in a museum in Paris telling you what a "real" PSI is.

Of course "real" PSI can be determined, gauges can be brought into line league-wide, they can be periodically checked, etc. -- but that would take actually giving a **** prior to the sting operation.

So: Very successful team, shoots for the lower end of 12.5-13.5. Ref, either incompetent or intentionally, goes way out of range -- for whatever reason. The pressure on the underling becomes greater -- apparently his boss did not go so far as to tell Tom "back off, I measured the ball it was 16.0," because the Pats equipment staff changed their target to 12.6... as if McNally's target of 12.85 was the cause of the 16.0 ball(s).

Then you've got the set-up for the remainder of this script. And what does McNally increasingly think his job is? Yes, he's the guy who deflates the damn ball after Tom yells at him. He's the Deflator.

Could he be going to ESPN about what a **** Tom is? Of course. The fact is that this is the most damning thing Wells et al. could dredge up. They presented their case, they didn't investigate what happened. They did nothing to investigate their officials, who, it appears, are free to dispense a sort of street justice when they want, or, to be generous, are free to pump up balls without measuring.

Of course, that's all going by a parcel of texts. But that's what the NFL is hanging their collective hat on: A parcel of texts, a generous serving of spin, and not one iota of physical evidence -- unless of course you reverse the testimony of (once again) your own officials, who "couldn't possibly remember correctly which gauge he used because it doesn't fit the verdict."

What do you do if you're trying to railroad the staffers, the team, and the GOAT? This report.

What do you do if you think you have a real problem with the PSI of balls?

You make the officials accountable. You standardize gauges, you have gauges thrown out or recalibrated if they're out of synch. Etc.

They never thought they had a problem with the PSI of the footballs. They thought they had a gotcha on the New England Patriots.

So the real systemic problem they're trying to solve is that the Pats are better than the Colts. They keep trying to solve this problem, but their efforts continually fall short.
 
Of course "real" PSI can be determined, gauges can be brought into line league-wide, they can be periodically checked, etc. -- but that would take actually giving a **** prior to the sting operation.

And it's not even that hard to do. P = nRT/V. R is a constant, so it doesn't matter; if you know what n, T, and V are, then you know what P is supposed to be from the ideal gas law. (Heck, if we want to be really precise, we can use the van der Waals equation and adjust for the fact that we have a real gas rather than an ideal one, but it'll make almost no difference under ordinary conditions.)
 
And it's not even that hard to do. P = nRT/V. R is a constant, so it doesn't matter; if you know what n, T, and V are, then you know what P is supposed to be from the ideal gas law. (Heck, if we want to be really precise, we can use the van der Waals equation and adjust for the fact that we have a real gas rather than an ideal one, but it'll make almost no difference under ordinary conditions.)

LOL I think that the Ideal Gas Law will be officially repealed to square with the NFL's narrative. This is known as the Inverse Square Law of NFL investigations.
 
Also - now that we think that flatter balls are somehow "better," rather than what Brady prefers (and we all know that he prefers them at the 12.5 range,) how do we let the elements get away with making balls flatter? Shouldn't they check them at every change of possession or something? Hell, they can stick a chip in the ball you can read out with an iPhone or something without releasing air from the valve, and have NFL go-fers reinflate to the proper range every time a ball is put in play.

If anybody truly gave a **** about this it could be solved way ahead of time.
 
I understand the texts are the strength of the NFLs case. Their case is about as strong as cotton sewing thread while the Pats is the strength of a kevlar strap. The judge will pull on both. Guess which one breaks first?
 
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Also - now that we think that flatter balls are somehow "better," rather than what Brady prefers (and we all know that he prefers them at the 12.5 range,) how do we let the elements get away with making balls flatter? Shouldn't they check them at every change of possession or something? Hell, they can stick a chip in the ball you can read out with an iPhone or something without releasing air from the valve, and have NFL go-fers reinflate to the proper range every time a ball is put in play.

If anybody truly gave a **** about this it could be solved way ahead of time.
Nobody should, did, nor will unless it involves the Patriots.
 
Question .... On weei, they are saying when Brady was asked at Pc before Sb about balls, he answered that he doesnt know anything about ball preparation. ????? I cant remember
 
BB said he didn't know much about ball prep
 
Just heard what might be a good point about bathroom. From what I understand you cant lock the door. would he do that w/o a lookout? Are there stalls? How would you do it in there without mixing up balls? deflate put all balls to the side and then back in bag? Even in open areaa of BR I wouldnt think you could do it properly w/o puttiing the balls to the side then back in the bag when finished all 12...takes more time. if thrown backin bag and at speed, seems like you would MIX them up.

But you have a ton of people there, and he leaves 1st to field anyone could have walked in. But he is cool as a cucumber and does it in 1:40 no problem. From what we have read about him does he seem like a cool operator ....
 
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