Patriots Legal Counsel Rebuttal of Wells Report

How long before someone changes their name to Dorito Dink?

aluminum seats said:

Why did the Pats suspend those guys? If they actually did.

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I don't see how MacNally would be suspended when he doesn't work in the off season. Jastremski is a different case but should not have been suspended for anything we are aware of.

FWIW the general public at least on twitter seems to not buy the pats explanation of 'deflator' word for someone losing weight and seem to be mocking patriots explanation.

QuantumMechanic said:

Yes, they are -- as is most of my tweetstream (which is media and non-media).

I'm not saying the "'Deflator' means trying to lose weight" claim is false. I'm saying that to the extent NE is trying to use this rebuttal as a PR counteroffensive they should have left it out and saved it for any upcoming lawsuit.

Because like it or not, what's happening is that the media and others is focussing on that, mocking it, and dismissing/overlooking the rest of the rebuttal.

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That's fine because the media mockery is irrelevant. If the explanation is true, and can be supported with other evidence, that's basically the end of the road for any punishment.

DefenseRules said:

I thought the NFL suspended them.

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It was reported they were both suspended without pay by the Patriots on May 6th. Why?

4thRing-Hunt said:

After a decade of defending this team the pats finally won the sb last season and I thought no sb could ever feel as good. But if the pats win the much hyped super bowl 50 I would die a happy man.

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First you need to change you screen name to 5thRing-Hunt

QuantumMechanic said:

I'm not saying the "'Deflator' means trying to lose weight" claim is false. I'm saying that to the extent NE is trying to use this rebuttal as a PR counteroffensive they should have left it out and saved it for any upcoming lawsuit.

Because like it or not, what's happening is that the media and others is focussing on that, mocking it, and dismissing/overlooking the rest of the rebuttal.

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If they ignore it, they get lambasted for trying to gloss over the reference.

If they provide an explanation, the media and twitterverse (most of whom are anti-Brady) do what they are doing.

Can someone on Twitter Tweet this link to Volin:

https://wellsreportcontext.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/nep_psi_excerpts-from-emails-5_13_15-2.pdf

But even with faulty science, Pats still don't have good explanations for why they didn't make McNally available, or why Brady stonewalled

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https://twitter.com/BenVolin/status/598882929264189440

They explain on the website that it was agreed to that every person would be interviewed once barring exceptional circumstances.

People focussing on "LOL DEFLATOR MEANT LOSING WEIGHT? WHAT A CRAPPY LIE"

...are all conveniently leaving out the text message that talks about having to give away a jacket, because jackets are of course directly related to ball deflation right?

The media and other fans who claimed to be "neutral" are showing their rampant bias against the Patriots.

SI's Andrew Brandt asks an IMHO very reasonable question -- if Jastremski's and McNally's behavior are as innocent as the rebuttal claims it is, why did NE indefinitely suspend them even before the NFL punishment came down?

Kdo5 said:

Bertrand already trashing it. I could curious about responses. I'll give up on any media considering this.

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Bertrand was trained by Felger. Hasn't even had time to read it and he's got a contrarian reaction.

SVN said:

FWIW the general public at least on twitter seems to not buy the pats explanation of 'deflator' word for someone losing weight and seem to be mocking patriots explanation.

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It's worth nothing except in the court of public opinion. If what the Pats say is accurate then we have an even better chance of beating the NFL both on the suspension and perhaps more.

patman12 said:

If they ignore it, they get lambasted for trying to gloss over the reference.

If they provide an explanation, the media and twitterverse (most of whom are anti-Brady) do what they are doing.

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Yep.... You can't have a report rebuttal without dealing with "Deflator" and "ESPN".

Chiuba E. Obele said:

First you need to change you screen name to 5thRing-Hunt

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Ha. I know. I've been trying to figure out how to do that. Do you know how I can do that?

QuantumMechanic said:

SI's Andrew Brandt asks an IMHO very reasonable question -- if Jastremski's and McNally's behavior are as innocent as the rebuttal claims it is, why did NE indefinitely suspend them even before the NFL punishment came down?

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That happens all the time, as police and teachers here can certainly tell you.

aluminum seats said:

Why did the Pats suspend those guys? If they actually did.

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Thats a good question. Could be that the NFL mandated it and the Pats went along because they had to.

People have their narratives that they want to follow and see in this report. Each side is going to stick to their guns. A lot of info is being interpreted and also ignored to fit those narratives. As always the truth will lie in the middle. I believe if anything happened it was negligible and due to the leagues very lazy attitude about the entire process. The story to me here is ALL about how the league has handled the entire process. Something is up with them and the pats and that should be the target here.

4thRing-Hunt said:

Ha. I know. I've been trying to figure out how to do that. Do you know how I can do that?

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Contact @Ian I'm sure he knows

People are just stupid. If there was ever going to be 2 guys who would use "deflator" as a weight loss term it would be two guys whose JOB IT IS TO INFLATE GAME BALLS. It makes perfect friggin sense given their work relationship.

juny said:

seems like deflator explanation not going well

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Bert Breer doesn't buy it, shockingly.