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Blandino said he couldn't get into many details with the investigation ongoing. Afterwards, in a side session with a handful of reporters, he said referee Walt Anderson tested the footballs with a gauge himself, which he has done throughout his career.

Blandino added that the specific air pressure in each football, which is required to be between 12.5 and 13.5, is not documented. The balls are simply either approved or disapproved pre-game.

In the news conference, Blandino said, "We did review what happened pre-game. From everything that we reviewed and all their information we had, was the balls were properly tested and marked prior to the game. Then [there] was an issue that was brought up during the first half. A football came into question and then a decision was made to test the football."

Said Vinovich, "We test them. It's 12.5 to 13.5. We put 13 in every ball. ... Dean tested a couple in the office and had one underinflated and one to specs, and you really couldn't tell the difference unless you actually sat there and tried to squeeze the thing or did some extraordinary thing. If somoene just tossed you the ball, especially in 20 degree weather, you're going to pretty much play with the ball. They are going to be hard. You're not going to notice the difference."

As it relates to the Patriots' investigation, here is one follow-up thought based on this information: The fact there is no official documentation in the process is significant.
What is vinovich's angle here saying one cant see the difference between PSI ?
 
So Goodell punishes us unjustly, Patriots appeal, Patriots win. Maybe Goodell will spare us all the ******** and cut to the chase.

Ummm -- who do you think any appeal will be to? You have one guess. The person's name starts with "G" and ends in "l". Why on earth do you think NE would win any appeal?
 
I am slowly coming to the opnion that the nfl and haters will not stop until they get thier pound of flesh guilt or innocences doesnt matter. And iT will be a scar that never goes away. I also believe its likely that refs will intentionally effect games outcome which isnt good for us

In the words of the great Shane Falco.

"Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory... lasts forever"

If the Pats win this SB, people can say what ever the hell they want.
 
Supafly:

The whole premise is that the Pats balls significantly deflated between pregame inspection and half time, but the Colts balls did not.

Now, the NFL acknowledges that they don't have the PSI measurements for any of the balls, either before the game or at half time.

They have nothing.

Of course, the Three Stooges can still find the Pats "guilty" I suppose. If they are prepared for the response to that from Bob Kraft, Bill Belichick, Tom Brady, and Gisele Bundchen.

Note carefully, that they have NOT had made any but the vaguest possible representations about what Walt Anderson found in his informal testing.

I understand why it's better news than worse news.

I'm just speaking to some of the comments that the refs didn't do their jobs, etc. That part is something I'm not totally sure that I agree with, not to mention that I'm not sure would matter anyway, since the NFL isn't going to ever admit any wrong doing.

I'm not sure how we can blame it on the refs here, but that's just my opinion. It was NOT a sting operation, so they were doing the exact same thing they've always done.

I blame the NFL, not the refs--at least with the information that I currently have and understand at the moment.
 
Uh. Remember those of us arguing that the refs did not have records of the psi #s before the game?
Good times!

Yeah, I think there was a bit of a misundestanding there, which I attempted to point out near the end of our conversation--although you may not have seen it with so many back and forths.

No one ever thought that the refs had some scientifically measured log records--just that they did indeed, measure the balls with a pressure gauge (which they did).

This was yet another example of many speaking of some "squeeze test" which I never once bought into.
 
The whole premise is that the Pats balls significantly deflated between pregame inspection and half time, but the Colts balls did not.

Now, the NFL acknowledges that they don't have the PSI measurements for any of the balls, either before the game or at half time.

They have nothing.

They don't have "nothing". They have Anderson's testimony about what he saw on the pre-game and halftime gauges. And they are going to treat that testimony as gospel truth. There is no way in hell the NFL will even remotely suggest that a game official is not credible.
 
I blame the NFL, not the refs--at least with the information that I currently have and understand at the moment.

I agree with you to a certain extent. However, if the refs didn't record PSI at half-time either when they did their unprecedented check, then they are to blame as well. I don't know if they said it explicitly or not.

The NFL had no business making this as big a deal as they have, given the current operating procedures.
 
I can't believe you guys missed this tweet:

Bart Hubbuch ‏@BartHubbuch 1h1 hour ago
Blandino said the NFL will talk with football maker Wilson in the offseason about possibly changing the inflation range.

BINGO.

This is the safe-facing move for all involved. I can't believe people also aren't talking about the fact 12.5-13.5 is an archaic range dating back to the 1930s.

The NFL is already prepping saying they need to trim the rulebook, they will cut a bunch of stuff, among them the outmoded PSI range saying it is unimportant and was an artifact of a lost era and they needed to evolve and that being under or over the range was irrelevant and so they fixed it so both the league and Pats (and anyone else) really committed no sin.
 
No one ever thought that the refs had some scientifically measured log records--just that they did indeed, measure the balls with a pressure gauge (which they did).
How do we know this? Is there proof? Video, perhaps?
 
I understand why it's better news than worse news.

I'm just speaking to some of the comments that the refs didn't do their jobs, etc. That part is something I'm not totally sure that I agree with, not to mention that I'm not sure would matter anyway, since the NFL isn't going to ever admit any wrong doing.

I'm not sure how we can blame it on the refs here, but that's just my opinion. It was NOT a sting operation, so they were doing the exact same thing they've always done.

I blame the NFL, not the refs--at least with the information that I currently have and understand at the moment.

The Patriots were tried and convicted in the court of public opinion based solely on "leaked reports" that stated our footballs were 2 PSI lower and the Colt's footballs showed no change. The thing is, you can't even know this. You didn't record any PSIs. So what are we supposed to believe, that Walt Anderson has an idetic memory and just knows from 48 footballs, which ball was at which PSI? How can the "source" know the PSI difference without a baseline?
 
They don't have "nothing". They have Anderson's testimony about what he saw on the pre-game and halftime gauges. And they are going to treat that testimony as gospel truth. There is no way in hell the NFL will even remotely suggest that a game official is not credible.

No one is questioning his credibility - merely the credibility of eyewitness accounts. They can't be taken as gospel. Walt Anderson is a 62 year old man who was busy refereeing the most important game of the season to date. If he didn't write down exact PSI values, then he has nothing of value to offer other than a binary, yes it was under 12.5, or no it was not. If he says they are all "about 2 psi under," that holds no weight.
 
The NFL had no business making this as big a deal as they have, given the current operating procedures.

Well, that's obviously something that we can all agree on for sure.

As to whether or not they logged the measurements down at the half, I have no idea. That will be something to keep an eye on throughout the whole process.
 
Ummm -- who do you think any appeal will be to? You have one guess. The person's name starts with "G" and ends in "l". Why on earth do you think NE would win any appeal?

Couldn't we appeal as Rice did and get a third party in there to sort out the BS?
 
Yeah, I think there was a bit of a misundestanding there, which I attempted to point out near the end of our conversation--although you may not have seen it with so many back and forths.

No one ever thought that the refs had some scientifically measured log records--just that they did indeed, measure the balls with a pressure gauge (which they did).

This was yet another example of many speaking of some "squeeze test" which I never once bought into.

The scientific analysis has shown that the difference between a 1 PSI drop and a 2.5 PSI drop is the difference between natural conditions and tampering. Yes, you are right, maybe the refs should not have needed to think to record the logs, but the leaks/league office/media has certainly been asserting some hard facts about the state of both team's footballs and their measurements. By anyone's interpretation of their articles/agendas, it was obviously assumed that they had some hard numbers, which would be evaluated by scientists.
 
AT this juncture I think it's pretty safe to assume that this was a set-up for the Pats from the get-go and unequivocally proves to Robert Kraft and anyone else that supported him that Roger Goodell is an incompetent boob and needs to be replaced ASAP before further damage is done.
 
Well, yes, of course.

But a "he said; she said" scenario doesn't mean the accused is somehow guaranteed to get off. That's not true in real courts and it definitely won't be true of a corrupt goober like Goodell.

Anderson will say that the balls were all in the legal range and Goodell will accept that testimony as true. Still don't see why Anderson not writing down the actual numbers will matter one bit.

Going down that path, that still leaves the either the physics explanation or 'someone tampered with the balls' explanation. If the scientific tests show that the air pressure will go down as a result of exposure to the colder temperature and rain and they can't find any evidence of physical tampering, that still leaves the Patriots in the clear. The corrupt goober factor is wild card, though.
 
They don't have "nothing". They have Anderson's testimony about what he saw on the pre-game and halftime gauges. And they are going to treat that testimony as gospel truth. There is no way in hell the NFL will even remotely suggest that a game official is not credible.
I trust him to tell the truth.
 
Does this mean the Pats just got dragged though the mud for nothing? I think it does...

Where did all these crazy PSI numbers come from?
Magic Kingdom?
 
I agree with you to a certain extent. However, if the refs didn't record PSI at half-time either when they did their unprecedented check, then they are to blame as well. I don't know if they said it explicitly or not.

Blame for what? I'm still waiting for someone to given an explanation of why a failure to write numbers down matters (especially to Goodell).

If Anderson says the following to investigators/Goodell, why will lack of a log matter?

"New England turned in their balls and asked me to set them at 12.5 PSI, which I did. So I know before the game all their balls were right at 12.5 PSI. At halftime when I measured them they were all below 12.5 PSI. Most of them were around 11.5 PSI. And one was around 10.5 PSI."

Exactly what is going to change if we only know a ball was about 1 PSI low rather than knowing it was precisely 0.8 PSI or 1.2 PSI too low? Even if he had logged it there's the uncertainty in the gauge anyways.

Don't get me wrong -- I think this whole debacle is BS. But I don't see the lack of a log as affecting the ultimate judgement of Goodell at all. Nor will the media and the haters care.
 
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