Deflate-Gate: Here We Go Again

MossWelkowski · Jan 21, 2015

Joey007 said:
Wow and you have been known to be pessimistic if I remember right..

Hopefully this causes SB tickets to drop for me

Joey007 · Jan 21, 2015

Kdo5 said:
Because we could have been doing it in the past as well. Yeah I'm sure there are teams that do it but we will be the ones who are made an example of. It's the way it is and if all is true...the team cheated and there is no one else to blame.

But in what way could they even prove that we had done it in the past? Players from others team have admitted to doing the exact same thing. So I don't see why we would get punished for past games if there is no clear evidence AND other teams are admitting to doing so.

mosi · Jan 21, 2015

At the beginning of the 2nd half, the camera covers Pagano. This is the play that was held up to start the second half. He says something like "they have don't have a ball". The official actually has a ball under a towel and right before the start they switch the balls out. It almost looks like the balls were not ready to start the second half. Carey says it was because they were using a kicking ball.

FrodoBagginz · Jan 21, 2015

MossWelkowski said:
I actually like this... You know the pats are gonna be pumped up even more now

You can be sure the Pats aren't deflated by these accusations.

karguy85 · Jan 21, 2015

tombonneau said:
I'm not sure what point that is directed at? Are you talking about half time testing or pre-game? Pre-game I'm sure they test them on the field. Again, the question is how thorough is the test? Do they actually measure PSI or just feel the balls and if they think they are off test? The latter is much more efficient and likely what is done.

It was at directed at point 2 and your assertion that we needed a log of the refs testing the balls prior to the game. I find it hard to believe that the refs are alone with the balls and pressure gauges during this. If they say that they were tested prior to the game and the balls were in compliance, I'd tend to believe it (until I hear otherwise). The question then becomes, what happened between the testing and halftime that caused the balls to lose pressure (i.e. ballboy deflating balls, faulty original testing gauge, weather conditions, etc.). Trying to be a realist here.

Onedaful · Jan 21, 2015

FirstAndGoal said:
God, I'm a Pats fan but

I agree

lol, dude, you want to argue on what they should do ? lol

You're funny. So how do you suppose this goes? We argue and then you declare yourself the winner and the NFL follows what you want? Get real. I'm stating a fact. The NFL has no legal obligation. It only needs to answer to its owners.

We argue about what? I'm simply asking you how this is going to go if you don't think there needs to be proof that someone tampered with balls before action is taken. It's a simple question, not sure how that was misconstrued.

supafly · Jan 21, 2015

Double TE said:
Cared before the news that 2nd half balls were definitely legal. Now I would guess the heat will subside.

As much as I wish you'd be right, it's not happening.

The issue still remains that the balls in the first half were supposedly under inflated, and that's why people are concerned.

The story is gathering TONS of new attention as the days go on....not less.

TBR · Jan 21, 2015

Did ESPN just act out their first impressions of the footballs 2 different times? WTF?

1 - http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12206777

2 - http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:12205404

Brunell and Bettis are subtly smirking throughout the entire thing as well

FourierSeries · Jan 21, 2015

The Patriots used 12 backup footballs for the second half of Sunday’s AFC championship game after issues were found with most of the original 12 balls used by the offense in the first half, an organizational source told WEEI.com.

Team spokesman Stacey James confirmed to WEEI.com that the team had 24 footballs available, 12 of which were tested by the officials pregame and another dozen stored inside as backups.

After the officials found that the majority of the balls used in the first half were below the acceptable PSI as mandated by the NFL, the backup balls were brought in. According to the source, the backup balls were tested and found to be at the correct levels, and subsequently put into play — just barely in time, as the second half already had started by the time the testing was completed. This is why the officials stopped play and swapped out the kicking ball on the first play from scrimmage of the second half.

ESPN’s Chris Mortensen reported late Tuesday night that 11 of the 12 game balls were underinflated. WEEI.com’s source recalled either 10 or 11 balls being a problem.

For more Patriots news, visit the team page at weei.com/patriots.

http://m.weei.com/sports/boston/this-just-in/21901571/source-pats-switched-backup-balls-2nd-half

Pats still win 28-7 if you take away the 1st half points.

Colts still suck.

Double TE · Jan 21, 2015

supafly said:
As much as I wish you'd be right, it's not happening.

The issue still remains that the balls in the first half were supposedly under inflated, and that's why people are concerned.

The story is gathering TONS of new attention as the days go on....not less.

This info is new let's see what happens

skri65 · Jan 21, 2015

Double TE said:
Huh? Once NE discovered the officials mistake they rectified the problem. Obviously they did better with legal balls. Do you understand me?

You don't understand the charge. The charge, whether it's true or not, is that the Patriots deflated the balls after the officials correctly weighed the balls 2 hours and 15 minutes prior to kickoff. Whether or not the Patriots rectified the problem is irrelevant to this charge. Nor is doing better with deflated balls have any baring on whether or not the Patriots deflated the balls.

I think the whole thing is overblown but what you're saying is entirely irrelevant to what the NFL and general public is claiming the Patriots did.

FirstAndGoal · Jan 21, 2015

Onedaful said:
We argue about what? I'm simply asking you how this is going to go if you don't think there needs to be proof that someone tampered with balls before action is taken. It's a simple question, not sure how that was misconstrued.

Because you're not asking for proof. You're asking for definitive proof. They only need to satisfy their owners. They can do what they want. You're the one making statements about what they have to prove. If they owners were okay with it, they could declare the Patriots out of the Super Bowl at any point for any reason they feel is okay. Now, in reality they can't, but saying they have to meet some legal requirement is nonsense.

and before anyone says I'm saying they're going to kick the Pats out of the SUper BOwl, I'm not... I'm just making a point about their ability to do what they want.

supafly · Jan 21, 2015

tombonneau said:
No. I'm clinging to fact Pats very likely submitted balls around 11-11.5 psi. I think this is how Brady prefers them and think they have been doing this for a long time. Refs inspected balls and allowed them because it's a pedantic rule and they are lackadaisical and they also know it really doesn't matter.

If that's true, it means the refs are lying about having weighed the balls to proper specs prior to the game.

If it were as simple as you claim, there'd be no way to prove their guilt and we'd likely be exonerated.

tombonneau · Jan 21, 2015

Double TE said:
Balls in the 2nd half were legal and once notified the Pats corrected the mistake made by officials not them.

Where is the proof the Pats tampered and performance indicates legal balls were great. What is the motive here?

Bunch of BS this is.

Where did you

rlcarr said:
Problem is we've already had leaks today saying that the refs tested the footballs pre-game and that the NE footballs were within the legal 12.5-13.5 PSI range when they were tested.

Really? I haven't seen that yet, I'd think it would be huge news. If that is the case, the Pats are ****ed big time, case closed.

FrodoBagginz · Jan 21, 2015

In other news, we are going to the Super Bowl!!!!!!!

God, I just want this to end.

PatriotsReign · Jan 21, 2015

I have a theory.....

1. Liberals are embarassed by this....

2. Conservatives don't give a crap.

I'm undeclared but lean more conservative.

supafly · Jan 21, 2015

tombonneau said:
Really? I haven't seen that yet, I'd think it would be huge news. If that is the case, the Pats are ****ed big time, case closed.

It's all over the news. The refs claim they weighed the balls and they were fine prior to the game.

Kdo5 · Jan 21, 2015

FourierSeries said:
http://m.weei.com/sports/boston/this-just-in/21901571/source-pats-switched-backup-balls-2nd-half

Pats still win 28-7 if you take away the 1st half points.

Colts still suck.

Again it does NOT matter if the balls had no impact on the outcome. If rules were broken as assumed, then the Pats made a huge blunder and it looks very damning.

tombonneau · Jan 21, 2015

karguy85 said:
It was at directed at point 2 and your assertion that we needed a log of the refs testing the balls prior to the game. I find it hard to believe that the refs are alone with the balls and pressure gauges during this. If they say that they were tested prior to the game and the balls were in compliance, I'd tend to believe it (until I hear otherwise). The question then becomes, what happened between the testing and halftime that caused the balls to lose pressure (i.e. ballboy deflating balls, faulty original testing gauge, weather conditions, etc.). Trying to be a realist here.

Ok gotcha. Yeah well it hinges on what a pre-game "test" constitutes. If they are just hand checking balls and only testing ones that feel off, the Pats are in good shape.

But if they are pre-testing and actually measuring psi, they either let is slide or it was regulation and Pats delated.

I think if the balls were deflated, only the most rose-colored homer would think the Pats had nothing to do with it.

tombonneau · Jan 21, 2015

supafly said:
It's all over the news. The refs claim they weighed the balls and they were fine prior to the game.

Do you have a link to this? I still have read nothing to that effect.

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