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Nothing will happen. Nothing.

If there was video evidence of anyone tampering with the balls on the sideline it would have come to light already. Without evidence that anyone vaguely connected to the team did something to the balls there can't be any punishment.

The only thing to come out of this debacle is that the NFL will tidy up the rules and hopefully pay for the scrimmage ball attendants out of their own pocket. This way there is no access to said balls for either team post inspection.

This thread reads as hysterical as the game threads. Chicken littles..

If walt anderson and his crew comes out and says "we checked the balls before the game and they were fine" and suspected that they were tampered afterwars (i.e., the reason for the refs inflating the balls at halftime) the pats are screwed. Walt Anderson is the key guy here.
 
I posted this in an Australian NFL forum and it seems appropriate to re-post here.

Listen, I'm not trying to defend the Patriots. If they're guilty they're guilty and they should be appropriately punished. The problem is, the timeline of events is utterly absurd.

0. Pre-game pressure checks by the officials stipulating the balls are within acceptable ranges and normal protocol is followed.
1. Jackson intercepts Brady in the second quarter (9:21 remaining) with the score at 14-0. Mentions to team officials that the ball appears to be under-inflated.
2. The Patriots go in at HT up 17-7.
3. The officials have been notified and supposedly check the pressure (with two gauges apparently) of New England's footballs with an alleged consensus that the balls are under inflated.
4. The second half resumes and the Patriots go on to crush the Colts 45-7.
5. Small story gains traction and supposedly, an investigation is conducted and completed with the media jumping to conclusions before officials statements are made (unnamed sources).

Now, this is where it becomes interesting.
1. During the time that the balls were checked to when they came into gameday service, they were tampered with or they weren't tampered with. I imagine Gillette Stadium is filled with CCTV. Track the balls and establish if they were tampered with or not. If the balls are out of CCTV service, catalogue who the employees/players were with the ball immediately before and immediately after the break in transmission. This immediately narrows down the search for the culprit(s).
2. If the balls were not tampered with and have simply reacted to the cold weather conditions, show us the science behind it and how it may be possible for this to occur (especially during use).
3. If there were irregularities and the officials were aware of this at half time, why were the offending balls not confiscated and stored or at the very least, inflated to correct PSI and an official report made?

It seems rather nonsensical to me.
 
So ESPN's top story this morning is their "source" saying 11 out of 12 balls underinflated. NFL AM's top story, Xs and Os discussion on the match-up with Randy Moss and Eric Davis talking about Blount having issues running the ball vs the Seattle front 7. Nice sources BSPN, or did NFLN just decide to quit covering the sour grapes story.
 
I posted this in an Australian NFL forum and it seems appropriate to re-post here.

Listen, I'm not trying to defend the Patriots. If they're guilty they're guilty and they should be appropriately punished. The problem is, the timeline of events is utterly absurd.

0. Pre-game pressure checks by the officials stipulating the balls are within acceptable ranges and normal protocol is followed.
1. Jackson intercepts Brady in the second quarter (9:21 remaining) with the score at 14-0. Mentions to team officials that the ball appears to be under-inflated.
2. The Patriots go in at HT up 17-7.
3. The officials have been notified and supposedly check the pressure (with two gauges apparently) of New England's footballs with an alleged consensus that the balls are under inflated.
4. The second half resumes and the Patriots go on to crush the Colts 45-7.
5. Small story gains traction and supposedly, an investigation is conducted and completed with the media jumping to conclusions before officials statements are made (unnamed sources).

Now, this is where it becomes interesting.
1. During the time that the balls were checked to when they came into gameday service, they were tampered with or they weren't tampered with. I imagine Gillette Stadium is filled with CCTV. Track the balls and establish if they were tampered with or not. If the balls are out of CCTV service, catalogue who the employees/players were with the ball immediately before and immediately after the break in transmission. This immediately narrows down the search for the culprit(s).
2. If the balls were not tampered with and have simply reacted to the cold weather conditions, show us the science behind it and how it may be possible for this to occur (especially during use).
3. If there were irregularities and the officials were aware of this at half time, why were the offending balls not confiscated and stored or at the very least, inflated to correct PSI and an official report made?

It seems rather nonsensical to me.


very well said

now lets hope its true that we are innocent on all of this BS
 
If walt anderson and his crew comes out and says "we checked the balls before the game and they were fine" and suspected that they were tampered afterwars (i.e., the reason for the refs inflating the balls at halftime) the pats are screwed. Walt Anderson is the key guy here.

How would this prove that the Patriots did something to the balls ?

Don't give me any of this "he said/she said" BS. You can't take away draft picks or suspend someone without showing that he actually did something wrong. Unless there is some clear cut evidence that we don't know about yet there is nothing that the league can do.
 
If walt anderson and his crew comes out and says "we checked the balls before the game and they were fine" and suspected that they were tampered afterwars (i.e., the reason for the refs inflating the balls at halftime) the pats are screwed. Walt Anderson is the key guy here.

I do not really understand all the science stuff being talked about but if that is accounted for and Anderson claims the pregame inspection was done correctly then I think the punishment should be harsh. There does not need to be video evidence.
 
Well with the obvious pun, I woke up this morning and was very deflated when I read this. If true, you have a great Team, why why why? very disappointing if true.
 
I do not really understand all the science stuff being talked about but if that is accounted for and Anderson claims the pregame inspection was done correctly then I think the punishment should be harsh. There does not need to be video evidence.

Nice troll as a first post. Reported you to the admins.
 
So ESPN's top story this morning is their "source" saying 11 out of 12 balls underinflated. NFL AM's top story, Xs and Os discussion on the match-up with Randy Moss and Eric Davis talking about Blount having issues running the ball vs the Seattle front 7. Nice sources BSPN, or did NFLN just decide to quit covering the sour grapes story.
There's nothing on NFl.com either.
 
This is completely insane. Ball pressure? How far can the league take this? Were Brady's toe nails a centimeter beyond league regulations as well? Did he use 11 tissues instead of 12 to wipe his ass after taking a dump? How far can the league regulate everything?

Can't we just play a goddam game of football? What happened to this being a "man's" sport? Cameras? Ball pressure? Cleat length?

Is this a sport anymore or is it a reality show now? WTF happened to running, blocking and tackling?
 
The Patriots were given a letter by the league stating that at half time the footballs were improperly deflated, so that doesn't seem to be in contention. The questions are, why didn't the refs notice this at any point in the game, and how did the footballs get 'deflated' by 2 PSI between the time the footballs were approved by the officiating crew and game time. There would be some deflation due to weather, but probably not 2 PSI worth (the balls would need to have been filled with 90 degree air in order to deflate that much PSI due to temperature difference.)

In a court of law this would be nearly impossible to prove short of a confession or video evidence. The NFL however isn't governed by that but rather PR. Can the NFL afford a team tainted by public perception - rightly or wrongly - win a Super Bowl? The "Cheatriot" meme has (sadly) never died down in seven years. Teams and fans of teams who have lost playoff games still blame spygate for those losses (which is totally illogical) and this just fuels that hate even more. It's going to over shadow the entire game because that's how the media today operates.

We won't know until the final report is released but as of right now it's not looking good.
 
If walt anderson and his crew comes out and says "we checked the balls before the game and they were fine" and suspected that they were tampered afterwars (i.e., the reason for the refs inflating the balls at halftime) the pats are screwed. Walt Anderson is the key guy here.
Iam sure he is going to say he did his job correctly. what else will anderson say ? If the ball boy or equipment mananger spurts out that he did this intentionally- I highly doubt a ball boy would know - then pats have no saviour.
 
meaning someone might have released the findings and its nothing. It was the ****ing weather.....
Or because its an ESPN source and they will be waiting for their sources to 'confirm' and then report it.
 
Or because its an ESPN source and they will be waiting for their sources to 'confirm' and then report it.

yeah i guess and it will be sports journalism at its finest.

NFL Refs claim it was their job to check the pressure

ESPN Headline

PATS PAY OFF REFS
 
The Patriots were given a letter by the league stating that at half time the footballs were improperly deflated, so that doesn't seem to be in contention. The questions are, why didn't the refs notice this at any point in the game, and how did the footballs get 'deflated' by 2 PSI between the time the footballs were approved by the officiating crew and game time. There would be some deflation due to weather, but probably not 2 PSI worth (the balls would need to have been filled with 90 degree air in order to deflate that much PSI due to temperature difference.)

From out of little molehills like these, mountains are being made.

The missing 2 PSI is an assumption on part of the media. They are using the average in the range of what the NFL allows (12.5 psi to 13.5 psi).

Brady like most quarterbacks, prefers less inflated footballs.

It was raining.

I don't think it's a great leap of homerism to assume that the Patriots would have submitted footballs that were 12.5 psi... or less.

Rodgers is on record as admitting that he and the Packers like to submit over-inflated footballs in a kind of gamesmanship with the refs to see if they notice and do something about it. Maybe the Patriots did something similar on the opposite end with 12 or 12.25 psi footballs.

At worst, I don't think it's wrong to assume that what we are talking about is a missing 1.5 psi.

So yes, .5 psi (accounting for 25% of these missing psi) might be all that us seperates a truly unfair cheating accusation and the NFL simply chaulking it up to physics and the weather.
 
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This is completely insane. Ball pressure? How far can the league take this? Were Brady's toe nails a centimeter beyond league regulations as well? Did he use 11 tissues instead of 12 to wipe his ass after taking a dump? How far can the league regulate everything?

Can't we just play a goddam game of football? What happened to this being a "man's" sport? Cameras? Ball pressure? Cleat length?

Is this a sport anymore or is it a reality show now? WTF happened to running, blocking and tackling?
I'm just waiting for the NFL goons to show up at my door to rip my penis off me. This is so stupid it's beyond comprehension.
 
Why don't they find out who is leaking info from the inquiry? And probably leaking what they like. Making things much more difficult for no matter what the result for the Pats looking guilty.
Seems like a well organized conspiracy, and if you add the possible penalties which various people are suggesting possible. So that a 25.000 $ fine will seem like pampering the Pats.

What I can believe the Pats did was give balls at something like 11.5 psi..if they measure ok....the refs will pump them up if not great. >>> refs fault !

One thing I am not clear about is what happens to the balls at halftime...do the ball boys take care of them...or NFL officials. If the ball boys do >>> well that is pretty irresponsible of the NFL.
 


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