Deflate-Gate: Here We Go Again

kennyb · Jan 20, 2015

It would be easy to do. Inflate it with hot air. Air at 100 degrees or so. It measures 12.5 then when it's outside at 45 it measures 11.

Maybe the pump heats the air up a bit as its inflated.

FrodoBagginz · Jan 20, 2015

SunsOutGunsOut said:
So there goes Bill's.. Hey..I didnt know anything til this morning crap during his interviews.. He knew at the half

Not if the Refs didn't tell anyone and just fixed the problem.

BelichickFan · Jan 20, 2015

SunsOutGunsOut said:
So there goes Bill's.. Hey..I didnt know anything til this morning crap during his interviews.. He knew at the half

Don't make assumptions, they may not have told him.

moejr · Jan 20, 2015

I can't even find any humor in this situation.

Dr Pain · Jan 20, 2015

Patstopia said:
One thing about all this BS is people keep blaming just BB. But if a defensive player could intercept a ball and immediately know it was funny. Then the all the offensive players who touch the ball also knew. So either it was a giant conspiracy by the entire team. Or it was hardly noticeable, and didn't make any difference at all to the offense, refs or anyone else and is just normal.

No way this happened this way. The weight difference would be around .10 of an ounce. It may have felt very slightly squishier but not lighter.

upstater1 · Jan 20, 2015

rlcarr said:
Huh? The teams give the balls to the refs 2 hours and 15 min before kickoff.

The refs check the balls then, but Mort reported that the refs actually receive the balls on Friday.

FourierSeries · Jan 20, 2015

I have no problem with Bill pushing the rules and doing what it takes to win. Just don't think it was needed in this case. The risk wasn't worth the reward.

But again, we still don't know if it was intentional or not.

Anyways, stop calling for his job. He's not getting fired, and there is not a single person we could hire that would be a better HC than him.

cmasspatsfan · Jan 20, 2015

SVN said:
Well they might claim the officials check the balls 2.5 hrs before kickoff and return it back and then it wouldve been 'doctored' , not during the game.

According to Peter King they don't give them the balls back until 2 minutes before kickoff

upstater1 · Jan 20, 2015

festy1986 said:
I'm actually on fire right now.

No wonder the pats demolished the colts second half, imagine being in that locker room and those refs come in to check the pressure and inflate those balls right in front of you?

NOT ONLY THAT but the refs STILL had to throw out a ball due to inflation issues, apparently. They couldn't even get it right when they was looking for it.

This is an excellent point.

tombonneau · Jan 20, 2015

SunsOutGunsOut said:
So there goes Bill's.. Hey..I didnt know anything til this morning crap during his interviews.. He knew at the half

Actually, this is a better look for him. It makes him totally oblivious to what was going on with the balls. Or the refs are just incompetent and didn't let him know they tested the balls. I mean if he knew, he would have said, yeah the officials mentioned the balls were under regulation so we used new ones.

Man, all I know is for a billion dollar organization, Pats PR really is not very aggressive. They need to take more of a Redskins PR approach for stuff like this

patsfan13 · Jan 20, 2015

karguy85 said:
Why leave one ball at normal weight? Trying to be optimistic, but is it possible that ball didn't make it into game action?

This is about Air Pressure NOT weight the ball being wet would have a much bigger effect on the weight than a 1.5 psi diff which would be less than an ounce.

Seanzayyy · Jan 20, 2015

How did the NFL measure the balls to determine they were 11.5 psi? Who holds on to the balls in the meantime? I'm not sure what the hell is going on.

jmt57 · Jan 20, 2015

Not sure why many are assuming that eleven balls being under inflated is indicative of guilt.

There are many possible explanations that have been apparently overlooked by some in this thread. For example, the physics based on temperature drop from inside the referee's locker room, to outside temperature that night. Also, whether or not the referees did not check the pressure prior to the game, as they are supposed to do.

The PSI is meaningless without a baseline comparison. Unless there is some visual or eyewitness testimony of nefarious dealings, then it shouldn't mean a thing. There are too many other plausible explanations.

The Patriots will be excoriated in the court of public opinion regardless. But the NFL really needs to have some sort of smoking gun, beyond the PSI measurement.

deters · Jan 20, 2015

BradyToAmendola said:
So what happened after this was discovered and replaced with "normal" balls? Oh yeah

EMBRACE THE HATE. I ****ING LOVE IT!!

For real. I just said the same thing to my friend. If we scored 17 before they were fixed yet 28 after, how the hell is it an advantage!?! **** this whole thing. It's stupid. If we actually get punished hard for this, I'm seriously done with the NFL. Never again will i watch it.

Boston Boxer · Jan 20, 2015

Onedaful said:
Some of you guys are getting ahead of yourselves. Especially the people calling for Bill's job. How about we wait and see what happens? All speculation and no evidence and all you people want is an execution.

that's why i said "IF".

The Gr8est · Jan 20, 2015

The fact that all of the balls weighed the same seems to make it unlikely they could have been altered once the game started. Regardless of all the eyes and cameras that could see the activity, I doubt the balls would weigh in the same if some one was lowering it by feel.

It is possible they were low when given to the refs, but then it is on the refs to catch it.

This reminds me of wrestlers going to extreme measures to get their weight within a certain class.

FrodoBagginz · Jan 20, 2015

The 2nd half where the balls were fixed is where we scored most of our points and Blount ripped the Colts defensive line a new one.

So at least half of the game is not in question.

upstater1 · Jan 20, 2015

Deus Irae said:
Dude, a linebacker noticed it.

A freakin' linebacker.

That report was contradicted by Jackson himself. He didn't notice it. He handed the ball to the equipment manager. He noticed it.

Patstopia · Jan 20, 2015

jmt57 said:
Ben Volin ‏@BenVolin 32 seconds ago

Globe confirms that game officials discovered at halftime that game balls were underinflated. Tested each ball twice with different gauges

So did they re-inflate the balls, after that? Keep playing with under inflated balls? Did they ever mention it to the team? Or just re inflate them? If they were reinflated, is the 11psi from halftime? Or did they retest after the game and let them play 'asis' the rest of the way?

karguy85 · Jan 20, 2015

jmt57 said:
Not sure why many are assuming that eleven balls being under inflated is indicative of guilt.

There are many possible explanations that have been apparently overlooked by some in this thread. For example, the physics based on temperature drop from inside the referee's locker room, to outside temperature that night. Also, whether or not the referees did not check the pressure prior to the game, as they are supposed to do.

The PSI is meaningless without a baseline comparison. Unless there is some visual or eyewitness testimony of nefarious dealings, then it shouldn't mean a thing. There are too many other plausible explanations.

The Patriots will be excoriated in the court of public opinion regardless. But the NFL really needs to have some sort of smoking gun, beyond the PSI measurement.

I would like to believe this, but when you have reports that the league is "disappointed ... angry ... distraught," it's most likely because the Patriots did something wrong or the refs did something wrong. And if the refs did something wrong, it looks like it might have been because the Pats got one by them. Either way, doesn't seem like a good look to me. Could be wrong though.

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