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Asking for your support
 

Should QBs get to throw the ball any way they like it?

  • Yes

    Votes: 82 70.1%
  • No the ball should be one way for everybody

    Votes: 35 29.9%

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Imagine if this whole thing is over a single freaking ball.

AND very possibly a ball that did not take part in a single play.

Damn right and Kraft should take someone to court. This is libel and damages his brand. That is the only way to make this crap stop.
 
I think he means one ball was taken out of circulation in the game, but not what is being requested/inspected. But to his point, refs touch the balls every play and I'd think would know if something was up.
I agree but if we had a "deflating program" going on we'd need to do all the balls, no way Brady would want the inconsistency of different balls. So if one goes out and another comes in they should both be noticeably bad.
 
If it was illegal by rule then you wouldn't need to remove the whole part about "use during the game" to make your case. It's not BB who's using gray area to interpret something that isn't there. The rule:


Since we know for a fact that games are in fact taped, the fairly non-******ed interpretation would be that those tapes cannot be used as it says "during the game". In fact we know damn well that coaches can, and do watch game film all week, so the operative phrase MUST be "during the game." Or damned if every cameraman in the NFL isn't breaking the rule. It would also be very odd for that phrase to be written into the rule but expect coaches to know to ignore the phrase. This is happens today:

...

Maybe after misinterpreting this rule on national television to the entire world the NFL should have put out a memo that said Fox was wrong, you can't use this stuff ever! Nope, the NFL forgot to do that. Strange how they keep making mistakes like that. Let's go over the mistakes:

They meant to put a period right before the term "during the game"- but forgot somehow accidentally changing th meaning of the rule to limit use of tape during the game.

They forgot to remove the term "during the game" from the rule.

They forgot to correct BB and Fox about their national television interpretation snafu

Hell, they even forgot to go ahead and clean up that mistake at the competition committee meeting in 2004, 2005, and 2006 despite coaches openly telling them they think it only applies to game time... On national television.

That NFL sure is forgetful. Obviously BB should have known that what really mattered was what Goodell had in his head, not what's in the rulebook.

Who is taking more liberties? The person who thinks the rule means "during the game" as it literally says, and announces on national television what that means. Or you, who are claiming that it's okay to ignore the actual wording of the rule to invent a new interpretation. To ignore not only the literal meaning of the words, but the precedent of teams following the literal meaning, and stating quite clearly what that interpretation means.

Everyone must be wrong except Goodell. It was super clear, they just forgot to put it in words, forgot to put it in the rule book, and forgot to correct coaches announcing the meaning on national television.

^this.

I said "in game" but that's exactly what I meant. It exactly is the "during the game" part that BB took and ran with it.... and conveniently ignored by many. Nice to see the NFL did squat to fix the ambiguity.
 
They taped opponent's hand signals which was against the rules at that point, and BB knew it. Videotaping hand signals in the NFL was, at that point, has been ever since and continues to be considered cheating. Not sure what is there to explain.


Fail.

100% wrong. On something so basic and understood. Everyone and their grandma knows that taping signals during a game was (and is) completely legal. The contention was from WHICH POSITION in the stadium. The fact that you make your contention as above shows that you are trolling here.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but that has completely eroded over the past several posts.

This last one broke the camel's back. I am now recommending to Ian that you be banned.
 
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Even if we win - you know now what everyone else outside of Pat fans will say. This was uncalled for. NFL needs to make a statement on this ASAP. Kraft needs to be making calls to the NFL. Kraft needs to know we, as fans, are taking the most flack from this.
 
^this.

I said "in game" but that's exactly what I meant. It exactly is the "during the game" part that BB took and ran with it.... and conveniently ignored by many. Nice to see the NFL did squat to fix the ambiguity.



They fixed it by severely over-punishing the Pats. Now a team just has to look back at spygate to know not to misinterpret the rule.
 
Am I the only one who sees this as a positive? All this talk should make this team just the right amount of pissed.

Absolutely. I've been saying this all day. BB material for BB :)
 
This was on my local news in Reno and on national news. The pats win and now we are cheaters.
 
Fail.

100% wrong. On something so basic and understood. Everyone and their grandma knows that taping signals during a game was (and is) completely legal. The contention was from WHICH POSITION in the stadium. The fact that you make your contention as above shows that you are trolling here.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but that has completely eroded over the past several posts.

This last one rthe camel's back. I am now recommending to Ian that you be banned.


Ian got back to me within seconds.

Patriotseven and his trolling ways are no longer with us.
 
They fixed it by severely over-punishing the Pats. Now a team just has to look back at spygate to know not to misinterpret the rule.

I suppose. They could at least remove the "during a game" part if it wasn't meant to be taken at face value...
 
Even if we win - you know now what everyone else outside of Pat fans will say. This was uncalled for. NFL needs to make a statement on this ASAP. Kraft needs to be making calls to the NFL. Kraft needs to know we, as fans, are taking the most flack from this.


I'm po'd at Mr. Kraft right now.

His modus operandi with these things is spineless.

I'm not saying the Patriots are guilty or innocent in this. I have no idea.

But for this owner to accept a cloud hanging over his franchise and, yes it's fans, while the NFL decides to play stonewall for the next several weeks for an investigation that is so particular and limited in scope that it could be resolved in 6 hours is callous to those who support the New England Patriots.

He should tell the NFL to **** or get off the pot. Kicking this can down the road for another several weeks only keeps a cloud that is probably undeserved over the entire franchise.

Bob Kraft is allowing the Jim Romes, the Tomases, the easterbrookes and Patriotsevens of this world to paint the picture and create the reality.

Mr. Kraft: WE shouldn't have to be dealing with this, YOU come out of the cave and deal with it. Stop worrying about being a "traitor to your class" and fight for your fans for once.
 
Kraft did recently put a Tampering complaint to the league against the Jets. Let's hope he has grown the balls to complain to the league about this.
 
We should all be po'd at Mr. Kraft right now.

His modus operandi with these things is spineless.

i'm not saying the patriots are guilty or innocent in this. i have no idea.

But for this owner to accept a cloud hanging over his franchise and, yes, it's fans while the NFL decides to play stonewall for the next several weeks for an investigation that is so particular and limited in scope that it could be resolved in 6 hours is callous to those who support the New England Patriots.

Bob Kraft is allowing the Jim Romes, the Tomases, the easterbrookes and Patriotsevens of this world to paint the picture and create the reality.

Mr. Kraft: WE shouldn't have to be dealing with this, YOU come out of the cave and deal with it.

you think he would.


this is hurting his brand and could be costing him a lot of money.


come on Mr. Kraft. Step up here.
 
Am I the only one who sees this as a positive? All this talk should make this team just the right amount of pissed.
This has been my contention all along. The longer Roger and the league office let's this fester the more of a pissed off team is going to exit that tunnel and onto the Glendale turf.

If they thought last years blowout was bad, wait until the millions of Patriot haters start turning off their sets halfway through the third quarter when the game gets out of hand and their precious Neilson ratings plummet.

They're playing with a fire that if not contained will burn uncontrollably. Smearing the Patriot orginization will be nothing compared to the fallout of there perceived incompetence, which has already been on full display just a few short months ago.

Sure, the fans will keep spending money, but the big advertiser money they so desire won't approach the totals they project in liu of yet another backlash. You're jobs on the line Roger. The greed of the owners will far outweigh there patience involving social and integrity matters.
 
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Yes. It was cheating. And I accept it for what it was. You want to brainwash yourself so you can continue pulling for the Pats in all their honest glory because perhaps it goes against your personal principles and it's how you cope. Not all fans need to do that. I can live with dirt and still love the Pats. After all you don't really love anyone if you don't take the bad with the good.
Filming from the wrong spot is breaking a rule not cheating.
You know nothing about me and what I think so pretending you do shows how full of **** you are.
 
Ian Rapoport is reporting that someone from the Colts made the accusation. I can't say I'm surprised, and quite frankly it chops down whatever legs this story had.

An official didn't suspect anything, nor was any quantitative measurement made. There is absolutely no "proof" of anything at this point. Someone (likely Irsay) cried foul and the league has no choice but to investigate. More-or-less what has been said in this thread to this point.

I'd expect this thing to wrap up in 3-5 days and our Pats be cleared of any wrongdoing.
 
This joke of a story was on NBC Nightly News, with some clown actually reporting live on the field in Gillette, discussing how a deflated ball might help.

Honestly, why do they let these people inside the stadium, only to report a story that bashes us?

Kraft, grow a pair and denounce this crap already!
 


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