Deflate-Gate: Here We Go Again

PatsFanInVa · Jan 19, 2015

shmessy said:
Teams supply their OWN footballs.

That has been established many times in this thread.

Oh. Never mind.

FrodoBagginz · Jan 19, 2015

It really doesn't matter if the League comes out and says the Pats did nothing wrong. The haters will just see it as a League-Pats coverup. There is no reasoning with haters.

The Gr8est · Jan 19, 2015

Darrone said:
That's not true, refs don't carry the balls around, they have personnel for that. Now, I am not sure if those guys are NFL or team employees, but the refs definitely aren't hauling bags of balls around on the field.

I don't recall seeing any posts from you before today.

Why now?

QuantumMechanic · Jan 19, 2015

ctpatsfan77 said:
As a reminder, in order to win a defamation suit, the Patriots would have to prove that Kravitz knew what he was writing was BS. They had a better shot with Tomase than they would here.

Especially since the NFL actually is doing an investigation. (And I very much doubt they started it over anything that clown Kravitz said -- there's probably some long-standing operations rule that if more than 1 ball gets removed in game, they look at it after the fact to see why.)

Ivan · Jan 19, 2015

Darrone said:
Ok, I was at the game, I've replied in a dozen threads about getting tickets, and this is the first post I've ever gotten negative feedback on, so pretty sure I am a Pats fan. You guys are really really riled up about this. My opinion is that there is a good chance the thing for which they are being investigated for, they did. It's my opinion, I don't know if they did, and you don't know they didn't. We have the same set of facts, and we are drawing different conclusions, THAT'S OK. One of us will be right, and the other will be wrong, and we'll probably find out in a week or so. No need to get all upset about it.

That's because we are sick and tired of this ******** after every big win. Its f.cking garbage and those espousing it are going too get **** for it. I have some very good friends who are Ravens and Steeler fans and we no longer talk football because all they do is talk sh.t, so the topic is off limits and we talk about anything other than football. It's a shame they are irrational assholes about the Patriots but it is what it is.

Bobsyouruncle · Jan 19, 2015

My impression of the response from a competent commissioner:

"While we certainly investigate all allegations seriously, we have no evidence of any wrong doing. Balls are checked, and marked prior to the game by the officiating crew and maintained by NFL officials. We have no reason to believe the Patriots or any other team tried, or even could manipulate ball inflation. We have procedures in place to specifically make such an event impossible, and we have every reason to believe those procedures were followed as they always have been."

OhExaulted1 · Jan 19, 2015

Darrone said:
Ok, I was at the game, I've replied in a dozen threads about getting tickets, and this is the first post I've ever gotten negative feedback on, so pretty sure I am a Pats fan. You guys are really really riled up about this. My opinion is that there is a good chance the thing for which they are being investigated for, they did. It's my opinion, I don't know if they did, and you don't know they didn't. We have the same set of facts, and we are drawing different conclusions, THAT'S OK. One of us will be right, and the other will be wrong, and we'll probably find out in a week or so. No need to get all upset about it.

So you're one of those "Guilty until proven innocent" types.

Your vigilante mob-mentality would fit in well with the PFT trolls.

vyrago · Jan 19, 2015

gardener123 said:
The ball air pressure should be 12.5 to 13.5 PSI.

If the pressure was measured in a 72 F room, then the balls were brought to a cold football field at approximately 32 F, the pressure of the balls all fall by approximately 1 PSI due to the temperature change. So, all the balls should be under pressure unless the refs were doing their job and inflating the balls back to the appropriate pressure range.

The math:

Air pressure is proportional to temperature in Kelvin.
72 F = 295.4 K
32 F = 273.2 K
percent change in pressure = (295.4-273.2)/295.4 x 100= 7.5%

A ball at pressure 13.5 PSI will drop 13.5 x .075= 1.01 PSI; the pressure will be less than 12.5.
Likewise, a ball at 12.5 PSI will drop 12.5 x .075=0.94; the pressure will be less than 12.5.

I hope the commissioner knows how to read and do math. I also hope he doesn't destroy evidence like he did the last time.

Oooooo, math. scary.

Bobsyouruncle · Jan 19, 2015

rlcarr said:
Especially since the NFL actually is doing an investigation. (And I very much doubt they started it over anything that clown Kravitz said -- there's probably some long-standing operations rule that if more than 1 ball gets removed in game, they look at it after the fact to see why.)

The impression I got was that every ball that gets removed is investigated. While true that there's an investigation, the omission of probably dozens of other investigations over the year is evidence of bias.

Spiral · Jan 19, 2015

Nothing but click bait for a bunch of media outlets with little else to write about this week. Just another reason for not having 2 weeks before the SB.

VJCPatriot · Jan 19, 2015

The stupidity in this country is amazing. Deflated balls would affect BOTH teams EQUALLY on offense. So how did Brady manage to throw for so many touchdowns? This is stupid and unless a complaint was filed by the Colts, which would be equally stupid, I don't see any story here. The Hate runs strong against the Pats. They won ergo they cheated? Uh, NO. They won because they were superior to the Colts in EVERY phase of the game. They were the better team. Period.

Ivan · Jan 19, 2015

rlcarr said:
Especially since the NFL actually is doing an investigation. (And I very much doubt they started it over anything that clown Kravitz said -- there's probably some long-standing operations rule that if more than 1 ball gets removed in game, they look at it after the fact to see why.)

This is about s close to the truth as we will get. A ball was removed from,play but that's standard procedure and in no way implicates the Patriots for anything. The fact that's it's standard procedure and we have never seen any team cited for anything improper means that It's a defect issue and the idea the Patriots would be in trouble is ridiculous. The media and fans are trying to create an issue where one does not exist.

Patters · Jan 19, 2015

Well, it does look a little suspicious.

Darrone · Jan 19, 2015

OhExaulted1 said:
So you're one of those "Guilty until proven innocent" types.

Your vigilante mob-mentality would fit in well with the PFT trolls.

Dude, it's an opinion, calm down. we're all just speculating here until the investigation comes out. And besides, Hernandez hasn't been found guilty of anything, do you think he's innocent?

Bobsyouruncle · Jan 19, 2015

VJCPatriot said:
The stupidity in this country is amazing. Deflated balls would affect BOTH teams EQUALLY on offense. So how did Brady manage to throw for so many touchdowns? This is stupid and unless a complaint was filed by the Colts, which would be equally stupid, I don't see any story here. The Hate runs strong against the Pats. They won ergo they cheated? Uh, NO. They won because they were superior to the Colts in EVERY phase of the game. They were the better team. Period.

Apparently Pats play with Pats balls, Colts with Colt balls, and kickers with league provided balls. So they only have each other's balls during an INT or turnover.

mosi · Jan 19, 2015

heavyde050 said:
Same thing with me. Philly sports talk bringing back up stolen Super Bowls.

Thanks H Thomas.

The Philly area is brutal to pats fans

Yes, and Philly teams are are brutal to sports fans...

cmasspatsfan · Jan 19, 2015

Schefter just said when the Pats played Indy earlier in the year and intercepted a couple passes they thought the ball felt different, then when they intercepted the ball last night they thought it felt different. Couple of things come to mind: the first game was played in Indy and the home team supplies the balls, seems like Indy initiated this fiasco so it sounds like sour grapes to me.
This reminds me of the Celtics dominance in the 60's (some of you guys are too young to know this) everyone accused Red of cheating in one form or another, he wore that label as a badge of honor, we can choose to do the same here and laugh at the haters.

moejr · Jan 19, 2015

This whole league is becoming a joke. The refs take care of the balls not the teams.

flasox27 · Jan 19, 2015

Darrone said:
As a Pats fan, knowing that purposefully deflating balls happens (USC got fined for it a couple years ago), that it is particularly helpful in bad weather, and that the NFL has confirmed its investigating, I am betting we did it. Given Belichick's long history of pushing the edges of the rulebook, I highly doubt a couple balls just happened to get deflated in terrible weather.

You are an idiot if you think that BB wants to taint his win with this crap. I hardly think you are a Pats fan either

OhExaulted1 · Jan 19, 2015

Darrone said:
Dude, it's an opinion, calm down. we're all just speculating here until the investigation comes out. And besides, Hernandez hasn't been found guilty of anything, do you think he's innocent?

I think drawing a correlation between a triple-murderer and slightly defleated football might lead one to conclude maybe you should tone it down a bit.

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