Adrian Wilson ready for OTA's

supafly · Feb 21, 2014

KontradictioN said:
The Pats need to draft a hitter that isn't a liability in coverage. Calvin Pryor is one option that should be available early on. Deone Bucannon may be available in day two and Antone Exum is a big CB/SS hybrid. All are solid in coverage and can lay the lumber.

Boy, I hope you're onto something, Kontra.

The need at safety is a glaring one in my opinion, particularly when you take depth into account.

FredFromDartmouth · Feb 23, 2014

I am going on what I see, not what I read or his age. This guy was a force in the middle before he got injured. He was crushing guys. He is exactly what the Patriots need. Get a youngster in the draft and the Patriots should be all set.

BTW, did anyone see the injury? I missed it; was it a contact or non-contact injury?

everlong · Feb 23, 2014

Wilson was awful in the pre-season last year. I really don't know if he would have made the team. He looked really slow and worse he wasn't the physical presence that he was supposed to be. I doubt he makes the roster.

FredFromDartmouth · Feb 23, 2014

everlong said:
Wilson was awful in the pre-season last year. I really don't know if he would have made the team. He looked really slow and worse he wasn't the physical presence that he was supposed to be. I doubt he makes the roster.

We must have been watching different Wilsons. Are you sure you were not watching Tavon Wilson?

Oh, heck, maybe I was watching Tavon Wilson and maybe he had developed a nasty streak and was clocking people....

Wotan_the_Wanderer · Feb 26, 2014

KontradictioN said:
I would have rather had Sanders than Ihedigbo in 2011.

So long as we're second guessing the brass, I would rather have had Kam Chancellor than either or Taylor Price or Derrick Burgess.

Kontradiction · Feb 26, 2014

Wotan_the_Wanderer said:
So long as we're second guessing the brass, I would rather have had Kam Chancellor than either or Taylor Price or Derrick Burgess.

Definitely a miss, but it was harder to see coming. Ihedigbo was definitely not a starting safety. We all knew this except the coaches, apparently.

everlong · Feb 26, 2014

FredFromDartmouth said:
We must have been watching different Wilsons. Are you sure you were not watching Tavon Wilson? Oh, heck, maybe I was watching Tavon Wilson and maybe he had developed a nasty streak and was clocking people....

There was discussion of it in the preseason threads. He looked old, slow and not physical at all.

50-yard-line · Feb 26, 2014

everlong said:
There was discussion of it in the preseason threads. He looked old, slow and not physical at all.

I thought he started out okay - had one impressive blitz I recall - then faded and seemed a bit late to every party.

Makes me think it was the leg, as with Wilfork.

But we'll see. As Miguel has pointed out, there's NO REASON to cut him before roster cut-downs. If he can go, then great...if not, oh well.

Wotan_the_Wanderer · Feb 26, 2014

KontradictioN said:
Definitely a miss, but it was harder to see coming. Ihedigbo was definitely not a starting safety. We all knew this except the coaches, apparently.

Many of us knew Sanders wasn't a starting safety who in 2011 was slated to earn twice the salary as Ihedibo. That wasn't hard to see coming. If forced to choose between the two, I would reluctantly choose Sanders to start if salary wasn't a consideration. And even at that, the drop off in play between Sanders and Ih wasn't that drastic. It's not like the Pats cut an All-Pro and replaced him with a bum.

Avenger · Feb 26, 2014

Draft Brock Vereen

FCB02062 · Feb 26, 2014

Another Krafty Bob El Cheapo signing who got IR's in TC...Krafty must've signed the most IR'd free agents in the history of the NFL - get what you pay for...

Kontradiction · Feb 26, 2014

Wotan_the_Wanderer said:
Many of us knew Sanders wasn't a starting safety who in 2011 was slated to earn twice the salary as Ihedibo. That wasn't hard to see coming. If forced to choose between the two, I would reluctantly choose Sanders to start if salary wasn't a consideration. And even at that, the drop off in play between Sanders and Ih wasn't that drastic. It's not like the Pats cut an All-Pro and replaced him with a bum.

For one, they still could have fit Sanders. For another, they didn't cut an all pro. But they cut a solid guy for a bum. I will say that Ihedigbo was far from being the only problem in that secondary, though. The starting pair of Chung and Ihedigbo was god awful and the CB's weren't that much better.

PatsWickedPissah · Feb 26, 2014

KontradictioN said:
For one, they still could have fit Sanders. For another, they didn't cut an all pro. But they cut a solid guy for a bum. I will say that Ihedigbo was far from being the only problem in that secondary, though. The starting pair of Chung and Ihedigbo was god awful and the CB's weren't that much better.

Yeah but, Ihedighbo is waving at us with his SB ring. My bad, wrong finger.

Sicilian · Feb 26, 2014

PatsWickedPissah said:
Yeah but, Ihedighbo is waving at us with his SB ring. My bad, wrong finger.

I was just going to say, it's funny because Ihedighbo won the SB the very next year with Baltimore. I think it goes to show you that ANY player can be a "Super Bowl Caliber" player at his position, assuming there are adequate people in other positions around him (with the exception of QB). Our problem wasn't Ihedighbo at safety in a vacuum, it was Ihedighbo next to Chung at safety, with below average corners (or at least not good enough to make up for the void at safety) and a below average pass rush.

Kontradiction · Feb 26, 2014

PatsWickedPissah said:
Yeah but, Ihedighbo is waving at us with his SB ring. My bad, wrong finger.

Sicilian said:
I was just going to say, it's funny because Ihedighbo won the SB the very next year with Baltimore. I think it goes to show you that ANY player can be a "Super Bowl Caliber" player at his position, assuming there are adequate people in other positions around him (with the exception of QB). Our problem wasn't Ihedighbo at safety in a vacuum, it was Ihedighbo next to Chung at safety, with below average corners (or at least not good enough to make up for the void at safety) and a below average pass rush.

Remember that Iggy didn't start for the Ravennes in 2012. He was a rotational guy. Pollard and Reed were the starters.

Froob · Feb 26, 2014

Wotan_the_Wanderer said:
Many of us knew Sanders wasn't a starting safety who in 2011 was slated to earn twice the salary as Ihedibo. That wasn't hard to see coming. If forced to choose between the two, I would reluctantly choose Sanders to start if salary wasn't a consideration. And even at that, the drop off in play between Sanders and Ih wasn't that drastic. It's not like the Pats cut an All-Pro and replaced him with a bum.

Yeah but that extra cap room wouldn't have mattered. Should have kept Sanders.

GIF Man · Feb 26, 2014

Froob said:
Yeah but that extra cap room wouldn't have mattered. Should have kept Sanders.

Right. People get excited about making cap room but if the team doesn't do anything useful with it, what's the point? In Sanders case the Patriots would have been better off over paying him. Unfortunately the Patriots have wasted a good amount of money on awful contracts the past few years with not much to show for it. Even worse it's starting to create a negative feedback loop.

Brady6 · Feb 26, 2014

The way I see it is they will release Adrian Wilson and Steven Gregory. Nate Ebner and Tavon Wilson will both make it through camp but it will be one or the other during final cuts. The bottom the construction of the bottom of the roster over the past few seasons is not optimal over the last few seasons; we are carrying to many special teams’ only players, and players who are holding roster spots with the hope of contributions in future seasons.

Players who took 95% or more of their snaps on special teams last season –

- Matthew Slater*
- Nate Ebner
- Tavon Wilson
- Chris White
- Justin Green
- Kanorris Davis
- Ja'Gared Davis
- Danny Aiken*
- Ryan Allen*
- Steven Gostkowski*
- Steve Beauharnais
- Jake Bequette
- Chris Barker

The players that I stared are very important players and belong on the roster; the others are redundant, when you consider that Jamie Collins, Devin McCourty, Michael Buchanan, Logan Ryan, Duron Harmon, Dane Fletcher, Julian Edelman, and Jerod Mayo all contribute on special teams. I see no reason for us to be carrying 13 players that took 95% or more of their snaps on special teams last season. You only need 11 players to form a special teams unit.

This might not seem like a huge deal to many. When you look at players like Chandler Jones, Rob Ninkovich, Chris Jones and others who were completely gassed at the end of the season because of the high number of snaps they played you realize that those roster spots being filled by those players is limiting us in other areas.

supafly · Feb 27, 2014

Brady6 said:
The way I see it is they will release Adrian Wilson and Steven Gregory. Nate Ebner and Tavon Wilson will both make it through camp but it will be one or the other during final cuts. The bottom the construction of the bottom of the roster over the past few seasons is not optimal over the last few seasons; we are carrying to many special teams’ only players, and players who are holding roster spots with the hope of contributions in future seasons.

Players who took 95% or more of their snaps on special teams last season –

- Matthew Slater*
- Nate Ebner
- Tavon Wilson
- Chris White
- Justin Green
- Kanorris Davis
- Ja'Gared Davis
- Danny Aiken*
- Ryan Allen*
- Steven Gostkowski*
- Steve Beauharnais
- Jake Bequette
- Chris Barker

The players that I stared are very important players and belong on the roster; the others are redundant, when you consider that Jamie Collins, Devin McCourty, Michael Buchanan, Logan Ryan, Duron Harmon, Dane Fletcher, Julian Edelman, and Jerod Mayo all contribute on special teams. I see no reason for us to be carrying 13 players that took 95% or more of their snaps on special teams last season. You only need 11 players to form a special teams unit.

This might not seem like a huge deal to many. When you look at players like Chandler Jones, Rob Ninkovich, Chris Jones and others who were completely gassed at the end of the season because of the high number of snaps they played you realize that those roster spots being filled by those players is limiting us in other areas.

I always feel as though we carry one too many extra ST only players as well.

Unfortunately, Belichick doesn't agree with me. He loves him some ST only players, and it's hard to argue with our success overall.

I agree that it'd have been nice to have had an extra spot or two open, but I'm sure Belichick has a reason for it. He likely feels that the depth isn't affected one way or another, and the ability to field a proper "3rd phase" is extremely important to him.

PatsChamp88 · Feb 27, 2014

Out of curiosity has any safety selected after Tavon Wilson in that draft turned into anything?

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