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But that's not going to earn them my credit though for being the best team.
I'm sure that's exactly what all the playoff coaches were concerned with, earning your credit points.

If by some means the Giants hoist a second Lombardi in four years, Coughlin will be heartbroken in the knowledge that the Giants weren't deserving of it.
 
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I'm sure that's exactly what all the playoff coaches were concerned with, earning your credit points.

If by some means the Giants hoist a second Lombardi in four years, Coughlin will be heartbroken in the knowledge that the Giants weren't deserving of it.

He might be heartbroken when they sell it.
 
I imagine quite a few people feel cheated by this thread....
 
I imagine quite a few people feel cheated by this thread....
i wonder if this stupid moronic thread has made it to messages of other teams. if so im sure they are having a great laugh. this thread is by far the worst thread ever created at pats fans.
 
i wonder if this stupid moronic thread has made it to messages of other teams. if so im sure they are having a great laugh. this thread is by far the worst thread ever created at pats fans.
Two other ones come to mind involving the trade scenarios for Wes Welker and Tom Brady. I'd put them comfortably ahead of this.

I don't mind the actual proposal as it's food for thought, however the rationale and secondary commentary is asinine.
 
Yeah I caught on to your sarcasm. I don't think you picked up on mine yet.

1002;)

It would make a lot more sense if all of your posts were sacrastic.
 
It's pretty clear that he's given up on trying to make a point and just started openly trolling, since just moving on would take a whole lot more maturity than he possesses. Let's just go ahead and let this thread die, folks- nothing to see here, no need to give attention to the attention-starved, etc. etc.
 
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I think I have made plenty of great points backed up by a lot of facts, logical points and history and yet most of the replies, like those on the previous page are simple one liners that don't really care to debate the issue but rather refuse to even accept the proposition.

It's kind of like along the same lines of accepting the Patriots defense is the #2 in the NFL because you are beyond brainwashed to realize defenses should never be judged by yards in the first place.

And yet you can't let go despite much better evidence that says otherwise once a certain image and perception is in place that the majority agrees on. You can't possibly accept they might have it wrong in the first place due to the implications that would rise up as a result of rocking the boat a little. It's just a little too scary to look into, isn't it?
 
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I think I have made plenty of great points backed up by a lot of facts, logical points and history and yet most of the replies, like those on this page are simple one liners that don't really care to debate the issue but rather refuse to even accept the proposition.

It's kind of like along the same lines of accepting the Patriots defense is the #2 in the NFL because you are beyond brainwashed to realize defenses should never be judged by yards in the first place.

And yet you can't let go despite much better evidence that says otherwise once a certain imagine and perception is in place that the majority agrees on. You can't possibly except they might have it wrong in the first place due to the implications that would rise up as a result of rocking the boat a little. It's just a little to scary to look into, isn't it?
O.K.........Does this mean your going to stop trying to educate us ignorant fools????
 
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I understand that. But we don't know if GB and the 49ers would have still ended up the better team if they also got to face each other.

If the Giants had to play all 3, Saints, GB, and 49ers, and so did the other teams, who is to say it would be the Giants and the 49ers in the NFC Championship game?

The Saints got to play the 49ers in the playoffs. That's it. I mean if you are happy with this, then keep in mind the Patriots true Super Bowl already happened. They have already faced the best team they will face this entire year last week.

We won! The Ravens were a much tougher opponent than the Giants will be. From every stand point. Offense and defense.

Good Grief. Will you please stop with the bad karma.
 
I think I have made plenty of great points backed up by a lot of facts, logical points and history and yet most of the replies, like those on the previous page are simple one liners that don't really care to debate the issue but rather refuse to even accept the proposition.
That is because you ignore comments that refute your argument.

It's kind of like along the same lines of accepting the Patriots defense is the #2 in the NFL because you are beyond brainwashed to realize defenses should never be judged by yards in the first place.
Again, numerous people have pointed out to you how ignorant this claim is and showed you why, yet you continue to spew it.

And yet you can't let go despite much better evidence that says otherwise once a certain imagine and perception is in place that the majority agrees on. You can't possibly accept they might have it wrong in the first place due to the implications that would rise up as a result of rocking the boat a little. It's just a little too scary to look into, isn't it?

You give yourself way too much credit. People are not dismissing your opinion because they fear how innovative you think it is, they are dismissing it because it is a bad idea.
 
That is because you ignore comments that refute your argument.


Again, numerous people have pointed out to you how ignorant this claim is and showed you why, yet you continue to spew it.



You give yourself way too much credit. People are not dismissing your opinion because they fear how innovative you think it is, they are dismissing it because it is a bad idea.

Really? Well I apologize to anyone that I may have missed but I think I took everyone's argument into consideration who understood what I was originally saying in the first place. Now I've read a couple of arguments that have completely misunderstood the original point. I didn't think it was worth responding more than once other than to let them know they didn't understand the premise.

I have yet to see one argument that "proved" it was a bad idea, as you continue to point out, or to mock it without any kind of intelligent response, other than to make some ignorant statements like "it works for soccer" this "can't work for football". Which I simply used as an example anyway.
 
Really? Well I apologize to anyone that I may have missed but I think I took everyone's argument into consideration who understood what I was originally saying in the first place. Now I've read a couple of arguments that have completely misunderstood the original point. I didn't think it was worth responding more than once other than to let them know they didn't understand the premise.

I have yet to see one argument that "proved" it was a bad idea, as you continue to point out, or to mock it without any kind of intelligent response, other than to make some ignorant statements like "it works for soccer" this "can't work for football". Which I simply used as an example anyway.
The premise of your initial alternative playoff format was fine. The rationale which you used to explain it and deride teams was, and I put this kindly, bizarre.
 
Really? Well I apologize to anyone that I may have missed but I think I took everyone's argument into consideration who understood what I was originally saying in the first place. Now I've read a couple of arguments that have completely misunderstood the original point. I didn't think it was worth responding more than once other than to let them know they didn't understand the premise.

I have yet to see one argument that "proved" it was a bad idea, as you continue to point out, or to mock it without any kind of intelligent response, other than to make some ignorant statements like "it works for soccer" this "can't work for football". Which I simply used as an example anyway.

OK.
1) The sport has already defined BEST. It has defined best as playing a regular season to establish participation and seeding for the post-season, where the best team is determined by who does not lose in a win or go home atmosphere.
2) Your argument is that things should be different because who you thought was best didn't turn out to be best. There is no need to change the system because you were wrong
3) Your argument is that the best team doesn't win, because you can create an excuse for a team losing a playoff game because 'they forgot how to play' 'they played like crap' and other excuses for not getting the job done. Your mini-playoff series isn't going to change that. If you cannot accept that the better team is the one that wins the game that determines who advances and who goes home, you are simply added an unnecessary step, essentially changing the rules of seeding, which do not need to be changed to begin with.
4) You didn't even respond to the ridiculous Patriots were the 2nd best defense in the regular season debacle, so I will assume you have learned the error of that analysis.
 
OK.
1) The sport has already defined BEST. It has defined best as playing a regular season to establish participation and seeding for the post-season, where the best team is determined by who does not lose in a win or go home atmosphere.
2) Your argument is that things should be different because who you thought was best didn't turn out to be best. There is no need to change the system because you were wrong
3) Your argument is that the best team doesn't win, because you can create an excuse for a team losing a playoff game because 'they forgot how to play' 'they played like crap' and other excuses for not getting the job done. Your mini-playoff series isn't going to change that. If you cannot accept that the better team is the one that wins the game that determines who advances and who goes home, you are simply added an unnecessary step, essentially changing the rules of seeding, which do not need to be changed to begin with.
4) You didn't even respond to the ridiculous Patriots were the 2nd best defense in the regular season debacle, so I will assume you have learned the error of that analysis.

Ok Andy, I can see you perhaps are misunderstanding what I said and continue to claim I am wrong. Wrong about what, exactly? I didn't make any claims of who I thought would be the best and turned out wrong. Maybe you can show me where I did that, and you might have an argument but I don't believe that I did.

And I just want to say I have responded to defense argument and presented evidence numerous times since I began posting in this forum. If you are referring to that then I'm pretty sure the Patriots holding the Broncos to 10 points and then the defense showing their strength against the Ravens prove it right, not wrong. But anyway, look throughout my post history and you will find threads and post where I presented varied quality defensive statistics and explanations which proved to be very solid measurements throughout the playoffs. And it's such a complicated topic that there's simply no point to re-opening it in this thread. There's plenty of others that understand it and have presented similar statements or numbers as well.

As far as your other 3 points, it's not about me or what I think. It's about finding out. Your argument is they are the best because this playoff systems says so. Well ok. You want it to end there and let it be that. I understand that. But you should know sports do change playoff formats, conversations like this do take place, and they are valid topics. They were initially created by people and committees, not the sport. And the fans, and their input, frankly were not involved. Nor will mine be. So don't worry. If you're ok with leaving everything up to them and just simply accepting what they put out, that's cool. Got no choice anyway. But it doesn't mean I can't ask the question.

My premise in the OP initially was to openly question the system and bring in the argument that it is flawed in the first place. You believe it to be adequate and the final word. I don't. So if you continue to use the argument they're clearly the best, because that's what the system we have says they are, what is there left for us to debate?

That's your opinion, plenty of people agree with it, like I originally stated, I understand I may be in the minority there, and there's nothing for me to argue there. The entire point was that it questioned the adequacy of the format itself and it has little to do with me not liking the current outcome due to some fear or being wrong.

Are you kidding me?

This couldn't have been more favorable for me as Patriots fan. This isn't about making my personal opinion of who the best is come true. Because frankly, my personal opinion of who the best team really is remains the same: I don't know. And neither do you. You just choose to more easily accept what an inadequate playoff system spits out and I don't.

PS: Unless your telling me I'm wrong for questioning it, which is what honestly sounds like you're saying.
 
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It's a SB rematch of SB 42. How can other fan NOT like it? I mean, SB42 outside of Pats Nation is regarded as the best SB ever. Look at all the things that had to happen to make the rematch possible. The muffed punts. Sterling Moore's sterling play. The missed FG. I mean, how can you not love this match-up in 8 days?
 
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Oh...

My...

GOD.
 
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