Well, the MVP was named, and it's a total joke: Peyton Manning, once again

tanked_as_usual said:

the sad part of the whole thing is the lack of self-esteem that drives a colts fan to come to a pats board to justify

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Its like if you have to explain the joke its not funny. If you have to go on another teams message board and make a case for why your player deserved to be the MVP maybe it wasn't such a logical choice.

Deus Irae said:

And, AGAIN, I pointed out to you that it was Manning, not the Colts defenses, that cost the Colts their playoff losses in those seasons. In 2004, the more egregious year, Peyton, mighty Peyton, managed just a field goal. That has nothing to do with the Colts defense.

Manning is 7-7 in the playoffs. That's not because of his defense.

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Not all of it is his fault, yes Manning had bad games in the playoffs. Yet when he has good games (playoffs or regular season) it always a conspiracy behind on this board when i look at comments during Colts games. Colts down 14 to jags colts suck. They come back it's the refs or the jags suck. Manning never gets credit for anything.

Manning threw 402 yards in the chargers game last year and he choked according to you probably. Those INT's were off tips not Mannings fault.

tanked_as_usual said:

the sad part of the whole thing is the lack of self-esteem that drives a colts fan to come to a pats board to justify

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The real sad thing is that the Colts should have started the season 1-6 and missed the playoffs if not for meltdowns by Houston and Minnesota

tanked_as_usual said:

he was not good, but when he turned it around, so did the team........sounds like MVP material to me...........I still believe he is the one most important player to his team in the NFL.......

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i agree with this logic. When manning wasn't playing well, neither were the Colts. When Manning returned to form, the Colts played very well.

Sounds like he was a VVP (Very Valuable Player) at least.

Bluecoats why ignore my question AGAIN for the 3rd time now?

PLEASE explain to me, give me your excuse, which explains why despite being surrounded by offensive weapons his entire career, Peyton Manning's playoff numbers suck donkey balls.

I would love to hear yourself explain that one away, while also looking at how Tom Brady's career playoff passing numbers are among all time bests, despite playing most playoff games with no-name offensive players.

The only thing you've thrown out is that somehow with an average defense it makes a QB play worse because he experiences more pressure to succeed. Are you admitting that Peyton is not a very mentally strong person? Without even going into how that is a laughably moronic argument, I will say that Peyton has had great defenses behind him for a few years now, and his numbers are still horrible. PLEASE explain this.

strongside said:

Does Peter King get an assist on this? His Manning gets leg amputated, then reattached story in MMQB was pure genious. Manning should take him out for a Latt'e or at least a nice pat on the backside.

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Hahahahaha, I couldn't even bring myself to read that article the way King started out with the "you have no idea what this man went through" angle. You're right, we didn't know it was bad cause he's never been on the injury report! How bad could it have been, right????

He is the reason they are in the playoffs after a 3-4 start. He isnt undeserving just because he wears a colts jersey. His injury bothered him early on and he has improved well during the season. Sure there were other close calls but he is the only reason they are in the playoffs. See the last SD game,. 4th and something with ball on the 50 yard line and they need to convert or SD gets the ball with good time left. He made the play which was needed or couldve cost the game.
Other teams screwed and helped them win games like Houston and Minn but how many teams wouldve take adv of those opportunities without him at QB.
I dislike the colts and possibly others couldve won but manning is not undeserving.

BlueCoats said:

I knew that was coming when i posted that. Winning the SB is a team accomplishment.

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I'm glad you agree that Manning is not a team player.

Wretch said:

Think about where MN would be w/out AD, NO w/out Brees, the Redskins w/out Portis. There are plenty of deserving players who didn't have a half season of elevated play.

Manning is deservedly a HOFer, but his reputation is inflated, just like Favre.

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Now there are some players I'd consider. Brees was the leader early on, but his team didn't finish. Brees almost broke Marinos record and got very little mention, but again his team didn't make the playoffs and were 8-8. Portis one of my favorite non Colts NFL players, the guy is a workhorse and gets only nominal respect imo, but again, 8-8 non playoff team.

Peterson, he's is the one, if he would have won it instead of Payton that I would have said, Ya, that makes sense. I know the knock on him was critical fumbles, but honestly, he IS the Vikings. So I guess I would have no problem with him winning it, but I think it's close between him and Manning. I also think Minnesota will get destroyed by Phillie and I don't think Phillie is very good. To steal a line from your own Bill Simmons, give me Tavaris Jackson or Gus Ferrotten and the points and I'm feeling pretty good.

As for Manning being overated. I understand the last 8 years and what Brady meant to you all and what Manning meant to Indy. It's ridiculous to let this devolve into that whole discussion again. However, let me say this. Manning will likely own almost every quarterback record when it's all said and done, if he stays healthy(tenuous, I know), but how can you overstate that?

To be honest, I would have voted him MVP this year as well.

The thing I don't like is the double standard.

maverick4 said:

Peyton has been a regular season star because he has ALWAYS been surrounded by all star offensive talent.

And yet look at his playoff passing record, his passing stats are pathetic when he goes into the playoffs, surrounded by offensive stars at all positions.

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Truth. I'm always amazed how many memories have apparently been erased since the Colts won their SB. How many years did the mediots predict the Colts to win The SB, only to eat crow come January. How quickly people forget Manning's Favre-like performances in the post season,despite the fact he had almost every weapon known to man.That's why they had such outstanding regular season records-Manning had a great team. How many years did he go 13-0 only to choke in the playoffs.

Not to demean the Colts' accomplishments, but either way, I can think of more deserving MVP candidates other than Peyton Manning. Personally I'd go with Chad Pennington, in fact imho he's an obvious choice.

SVN said:

I dislike the colts and possibly others couldve won but manning is not undeserving.

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I don't disagree that he should be a candidate, but the objections seem to be guys like Brees, Pennington, etc. are more deserving this year.

If playing "hurt," and nobody knows how hurt he really was (the Colts are about as candid about injuries as the Pats are), the team barely avoided a 1-6 start, how does that support MVP? He was not sidelined, he played for that lousy start.

And BlueCoats, if you wonder why Pats fans cannot stand Manning, look to his post-game interview when he called out his offensive line. Try to find an occasion when Brady has ever done the same, and he has suffered a number of disappointing losses in his career that clearly were not his fault (look at the beating he took from unblocked linemen in the Super Bowl - Manning has not seen that since his rookie year). And as for taking the high road, look at IndyStar after Brady's injury and tell me there were no Dolts fans celebrating his demise. Few here would celebrate Manning getting injured (plenty celebrate the Colts losing, more because of Polian's antics than because of Manning), because nobody wants to see a rival fall to anything other than a beating on the scoreboard (it's cowardly, and it tends to say you don't think your team can win with that injured player on the field and frankly it would be a hollow victory to see the Colts fall without Manning).

Despite having all star offensive talent at every position his entire career, Peyton Manning becomes Drew Bledsoe in the playoffs. WHY is this?

Peyton Manning Gamelogs and Game Logs - Pro-Football-Reference.com
14 playoff games, 7 losses-7wins, 21TD to 17int.

Here are Tom Brady's playoff numbers leading an offensive unit most years consisting of no-name scrubs who did nothing after leaving the Pats:
Tom Brady Gamelogs and Game Logs - Pro-Football-Reference.com

17 playoff games, 14 wins-3losses, 26TD to 12int.

Somehow having an average defense behind you means it somehow causes a 3-time NFL MVP QB to throw more interceptions? Sorry, not buying it...unless you ADMIT that Peyton is not mentally strong and chokes in big moments.

upstater1 said:

The thing I don't like is the double standard.

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Agreed, it's subjective and that waters down any voting of this type, imo.

Leave No Doubt said:

Not to demean the Colts' accomplishments, but either way, I can think of more deserving MVP candidates other than Peyton Manning. Personally I'd go with Chad Pennington, in fact imho he's an obvious choice.

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I understand why Pennington was getting consideration, but I'd argue he's not even the MVP on his team, plus I don't think you can give it to a QB that only had 19 touchdowns just on principle (sp?).

BlueCoats said:

Manning threw 402 yards in the chargers game last year and he choked according to you probably. Those INT's were off tips not Mannings fault.

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Not to go off topic but excuses like this sound EERILY similar to stat obsessed people here who defend McDaniels whenever we lose the big game.

"Yeah we lost, but we had 400+ yards of offense even though we choked the last few offensive drives... blame it on [x] instead "

maverick4 said:

Bluecoats why ignore my question AGAIN for the 3rd time now?

PLEASE explain to me, give me your excuse, which explains why despite being surrounded by offensive weapons his entire career, Peyton Manning's playoff numbers suck donkey balls.

I would love to hear yourself explain that one away, while also looking at how Tom Brady's career playoff passing numbers are among all time bests, despite playing most playoff games with no-name offensive players.

The only thing you've thrown out is that somehow with an average defense it makes a QB play worse because he experiences more pressure to succeed. Are you admitting that Peyton is not a very mentally strong person? Without even going into how that is a laughably moronic argument, I will say that Peyton has had great defenses behind him for a few years now, and his numbers are still horrible. PLEASE explain this.

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I answered your question 3 times now. What numbers are you talking about? Win/loss record? TD's to INT's? There are so many presuppositions and glaring double standards in this post i don't know where to begin to be honest.

It's funny now how the Colts defense had been good the last few years according to you. You mean one of the historically bad run defense in the history in the NFL in '06. The bad tackling '04 defense when the pats ate the clock for most if not all of the second half. The only good defense were the '07 and '05 bunch.

Brady played with no name offensive players, that's a lie from hell. Cause they aren't HOF'ers don't mean they're no name. You can plug anyone into that system and they will succeed, like Cassell.

Peyton has had pressure but when he has good games it's always cause the other team sucks. Or if he beats the pats blame the flu and polian. Peyton has won playoff games in which he has thrown int's and he's called lucky. Manning sucks i guess you win.

Keegs said:

wow. theres several players who deserve it more than Peyton.

Michael Turner
Deangelo Williams
Chad Pennington
Joey Porter
Ed Reed


and im sure there are more

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Drew Brees, Troy Polomalu, Matt Ryan, Adrian Peterson, Brian Westbrook, Brian Dawkins, Kerry Collins, Matt Cassel, even Worthlessbooger are all more deserving. If Sage Rosenfels hadn't decided to imitate Elway, if Brady Quinn hadn't been injured, and if our HC hadn't coached his worst game of the season (& Gaffney catches the TD), then the dolts are an 8-8 team - at best.

BlueCoats said:

Not all of it is his fault, yes Manning had bad games in the playoffs. Yet when he has good games (playoffs or regular season) it always a conspiracy behind on this board when i look at comments during Colts games. Colts down 14 to jags colts suck. They come back it's the refs or the jags suck. Manning never gets credit for anything.

Manning threw 402 yards in the chargers game last year and he choked according to you probably. Those INT's were off tips not Mannings fault.

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Manning never gets credit for anything? Are you serious? Manning has the cleanest balls in the game because they are washed so often. You can't go 15 seconds on television without seeing a Manning commercial, and he just won the MVP award when he was probably not even deserving of a top 10 finish in the balloting.

There's always an excuse for Manning. Since 1999, the Colts have only had one season where they didn't win 10 games or more. Despite this, the fivehead has a 7-7 playoff record, but has had such notable losses as his being blanked by the Jets and managing only a field goal against the Patriots. Only 1 time in his 7 losses have the Colts put 20 points on the board, and that was in the loss to San Diego last season.

Meanwhile, here are the Colts points allowed in those 7 losses:

28
21
20
24
41
23
19

In other words, take away the 41-0 loss to the Jets where it wasn't just Peyton who didn't bother showing up, but the whole team, and the defense has been at least competitive in those losses. It's time for Colts fans to admit the truth about Peyton, mighty Peyton, and the truth is that he's among the most disappointing 'great' quarterbacks in NFL history.

BlueCoats said:

I knew that was coming when i posted that. Winning the SB is a team accomplishment. Brady would have zero rings if he had the '01, '03, and '04 Colts defenses. Brady or Manning do not tackle any one for a living.

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What about when they had the #2 scoring defense in 2005, or the #1 scoring defense in 2007? What did he do then?

Oh, right, two more one-and-dones to add to his trophy case.