What would be big?

[Red_Sox_Fan]

I would not see Red Sox come back as just 4 game win. Its a great comeback when it mattered. 19-0 and a bunch of other records....that's probably bigger.

 

[patsgo]

boston is a baseball town and it's not even close. of course it'd be the sox historic comeback against their archrival, nothing the pats have done this decade comes close.

check the ratings my friend pats blow the sox of the map in head to heads

 

[Watson's IQ]

check the ratings my friend pats blow the sox of the map in head to heads

Not really a fair comparison, since football is played once a week.

I think we're a little premature in jumping down his throat for saying Boston is a baseball town. I'm not sure he isn't right, to a certain extent. Before the Patriots recent run of success, there wouldn't have been any question in my mind that the Red Sox were more popular than the Patriots (yes, in all of New England). And the Red Sox winning the World Series in 2004 was (to me) without a doubt the biggest sports story in the region this decade (maybe ever).

Furthermore, New England may be a Patriots region, but it is by no means a football region. For example, football isn't just the NFL, and I can't really think of a single region in the country where college football is less of a blip on the radar than New England.

I love the Patriots and the Red Sox pretty much equally, but you'd have a VERY hard time convincing me that if you stripped away all the success from both teams (thus removing the bandwagon fans) that there are more "lifelong" Patriots fans in New England than there are "lifelong" Red Sox fans.

 

[patriotspride]

well, winning 4 straight baseball games is much easier than 19 straight FB games,

not in the playoffs it isnt. thats why until the 04 sox did it. it had never been done before in the 100 year history of baseball .so toss the sox back in .

 

[Watson's IQ]

As for the issue of 19-0 versus The Comeback. I would agree with the consensus that 19-0 is harder to pull off, but I think you guys are underrating what a large accomplishment coming back from 0-3 was.

Sure, winning four in a row is (comparatively) easy, but doing it against a playoff team in a 7-game series is an entirely different animal than doing it during the regular season. Additionally, playing 4 consecutive "must-wins" in the playoffs is , whether we want to admit it or not, more pressure (on the basis of one season) than trying to go undefeated, since the Patriots could have lost a game or two this year and not been in any different a position relative to the playoffs.

Again, I agree that ultimately 19-0 is a greater accomplishment, but some of you implied that what the Red Sox did wasn't monumental, and that's ridiculous. If it wasn't monumental, someone else (in any sport) would have done it before.

 

[patriotspride]

boston may be a (small) baseball town, but new england is a football region... plain and simple... boston doesnt have a football team,

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they were the Boston patriots before they were newengland patriots .and last time i checked in o1 o3 and o4 all the SB parades were held in Boston. don't let the name fool you .Boston has and always will have a football team .all of new England loves the sox also .they aren't as you put it a small baseball town .that's comical .

 

[TomBrady'sGoat]

ill give credit, im a sox fan... but there is absolutely no comparision... winning 4 straight in BB is easy, winning 19 in FB is impossible. winning 8 champs in the nba is NOW impossible.

you WILL see 4 straight wins in BB again... you will NEVER see 19-0, or 8 straight NBA champs again.

Um, NE won more than 19 straight in 2003-2004. If you want to entirely remove context from the Sox argument I can do so for your football one.

 

[Watson's IQ]

i have friends and relatives up in mass. and ri, they all say it's not even close, the pats don't hold a candle to the sox. get a few 8-8 or 7-9 seasons back to back and the pats would fall off the face of the earth there. sorry, but that is the consensus.

You're exaggerating for effect here. I actually agreed with you that I think it's still a Sox town first, but the Patriots are more ingrained into people's psyche in NE than you're giving credit for.

The bandwagoners fall off if any team goes into the pits, that's sports today.

 

[Pat the Pats Fan]

i have friends and relatives up in mass. and ri, they all say it's not even close, the pats don't hold a candle to the sox. get a few 8-8 or 7-9 seasons back to back and the pats would fall off the face of the earth there. sorry, but that is the consensus.

Wow, does the Nielsen survey folks know about your friends. If your friends and relatives have the heart beat of New England, AC Nielsen could save millions and just use their opinions. You are really lucky to have such informed, and influential friends and relatives......

 

[Lansdowne]

i have friends and relatives up in mass. and ri, they all say it's not even close, the pats don't hold a candle to the sox. get a few 8-8 or 7-9 seasons back to back and the pats would fall off the face of the earth there. sorry, but that is the consensus.

Well then your friends and relatives are ignorant, and you too if you buy what they're saying and expecting us to buy it as well. Bottom line. You can make the argument that Boston is a baseball town, but to say it's not even close is a dumb statement to make.

 

[Watson's IQ]

You can make the argument that Boston is a baseball town, but to say it's not even close is a dumb statement to make.

You hit the nail on the head. Right now, both teams are SO successful and SO fanatically supported by the region that it's pretty much impossible to say who's more popular.

I personally think Boston is a "baseball town" for a variety of reasons, not least of which is that college football is a complete non-entity in New England for the most part. But I think it's foolish for him to imply that the Patriots renaissance is a result only of bandwagon jumpers.

 

[TruthSeeker]

you will NEVER see 19-0... again.

You're dashing my hopes for next year.

 

[Red_Sox_Fan]

With this cap and age...19-0 is a big achievement. But I am not sure if it is fair to keep Celtics out of the context. Why between Sox and Pats....Celtics were phenominal...

 

[patriotspride]

With this cap and age...19-0 is a big achievement. But I am not sure if it is fair to keep Celtics out of the context. Why between Sox and Pats....Celtics were phenominal...

i agree with you .the younger generation seems to scoff at the accomplishments of the past like the celtics of the 60S. the celtics are back and making late winter and spring fun again:rocker:

 

[fnordcircle]

With this cap and age...19-0 is a big achievement. But I am not sure if it is fair to keep Celtics out of the context. Why between Sox and Pats....Celtics were phenominal...

I'm 32 so I didn't get to see the C's in their pre-80s heyday live but all the stuff I've seen was pretty amazing. Their championship runs were the stuff of legend and the Pats have a ways to go to equal it.

1 - Celtics
2 - Patriots
3 - Red Sox

In that order.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Here's another perspective. From 1902 until the late 40's with the advent of the NBA, the Red Sox were the only game in town and it's what your grandfathers and fathers lived and most likely, died for/with. The Celtics were THE franchise in the late 50's until the 80's but still were outdrawn by the Bruins.
The Red Sox for all their current success trace it back to 1967. Prior to that, they were doormats who didn't draw fans. When Yaz and Lonborg turned around a team, they had a region fall in love with them, despite all the game 7 failings that followed. To this day 40 plus years later, the Sox have been in the hearts of New Englanders, not just Bostonians.
The Patriots pre-Kraft and pretty much until 2001, were the Red Sox pre-1967 with some success but not at the level of today. Since 2001, it's been a perfect storm of success for both the Red Sox and Patriots. I hope that forty years out, New Englanders will look at 2001 the way Red Sox fans look at 1967,as the start of a great run........
Just my $0.02,

 

[Red_Sox_Fan]

To mark the beginning of a dynasty, to become a team of jealous by most of the other teams, established team that many more players from other teams dream to join us hoping thats their only chance to win a ring, ....THATS BIG. Pats done that. It is 19-0 and beyond.

 

[Watson's IQ]

I'm 32 so I didn't get to see the C's in their pre-80s heyday live but all the stuff I've seen was pretty amazing. Their championship runs were the stuff of legend and the Pats have a ways to go to equal it.

1 - Celtics
2 - Patriots
3 - Red Sox

In that order.

To be fair, people were more comparing 19-0 to the 0-3 comeback in 2004.

I couldn't disagree with you more that the Red Sox are last. What exactly are you basing this on? If you're ranking the teams in terms of championships, than it's the Patriots who have the fewest (if they win Sunday, they'll still be 3 behind the Red Sox and 12 behind the Celtics). If we're really going to discuss this, let's have some perspective. If you're someone who doesn't like the Red Sox, fine, but don't let that color your analysis.

 

[Red_Sox_Fan]

To be fair, people were more comparing 19-0 to the 0-3 comeback in 2004.

I couldn't disagree with you more that the Red Sox are last. What exactly are you basing this on? If you're ranking the teams in terms of championships, than it's the Patriots who have the fewest (if they win Sunday, they'll still be 3 behind the Red Sox and 12 behind the Celtics). If we're really going to discuss this, let's have some perspective. If you're someone who doesn't like the Red Sox, fine, but don't let that color your analysis.

I would take the perspective of overall achievement and the impact you create in the sports that you belong. Not just the championship count.

 

[Watson's IQ]

I would take the perspective of overall achievement and the impact you create in the sports that you belong. Not just the championship count.

Before the recent run of success, absolutely no one would have made the argument that the Patriots have more of an impact on their sport (or the region) than the Celtics or Red Sox.

By your standard, I'd currently rank them Celtics, Red Sox, Patriots.

I guess it really depends on if we're calculating by relevance today or relevance in the context of history.