Eric Rowe

[FreeTedWilliams]

Except Pats don't have a '17 4th. Was stolen from them by ****dell

Goodell didn't want to get shown up by BB trading for a higher pick, so he put a condition on the penalty that lets him take the lower (number) pick in the 4th round, if the Pats were to acquire one (which they have).

So it all depends if Seattle's pick is lower than the Pats then the league will forfeit that one.

 

[JMC00]

Goodell didn't want to get shown up by BB trading for a higher pick, so he put a condition on the penalty that lets him take the lower (number) pick in the 4th round, if the Pats were to acquire one (which they have).

So it all depends if Seattle's pick is lower than the Pats then the league will forfeit that one.

Oh so the "whichever one is higher" thing applied for the 4th as well?

 

[RobertWeathers]

Yes, and the skillset of a corner is more likely found in a guy who is 5'10" than a guy who is 6'2".

How about 6-1? 6-0?

 

[reflexblue]

Not sure what kind of coaching he got. Personally I think Chip is a good coach but his defensive scheme was very questionable.

I'm talking about positional coaching, over the years bb has taken many players off the scrap heap and coached them up to play well. Rowe isn't earth wind moreland, hes much better right from the start. If BB and his staff can coach EWM into being a contributer i'm sure they can do the same and more for Rowe.

 

[reflexblue]

He gave up 11 pressures in the AFCCG. When people say this guy can be a backup but shouldn't be a starter, you still want them to be non-liabilities if they're forced into starting. Kline was a known liability.

I agree in general hes a liability, but if kline wash garbage what was cannon?

 

[Deus Irae]

I agree in general hes a liability, but if kline wash garbage what was cannon?

Injured

 

[reflexblue]

When did he play well?

A couple of games, thats it. Kline was bad but he wasn't Jordan Devey bad. Devey is my gold standard for bad, garbage bad.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Yup, honestly I'm most excited about this trade because of what it means re: the OL. Specifically, that Belichick feels comfortable enough with the interior situation that he's okay with losing Kline. Any sign that a player as ****ty as Kline isn't in our plans can only be a good thing.

Obviously I hope Rowe is good, and I'm intrigued based on measurables alone, but even if he's just an adequate situational player I'm still happy with Kline being gone and some cap savings.

I have said on more than one occasion, amid all the moaning, that when the IOL gets healthy it will be better than any that BB/Scar has fielded. Cannon is healthy and playing ROT where he belongs. Add a First Round BIG LOT in the 2017 draft and develop him at ROT. Like Vollmer who is adding the years on, but with health is good for two or three more years. Voila the best and deepest O-line of the BB/Scar era.

 

[Ring 6]

How about 6-1? 6-0?

Its a fact of life that shorter people are more likely to be quicker and more agile than taller people.
My point is that its not a case where 'the coverage ability is the same' but one guy is taller.
Sure if you could make a good player 2 inches taller while sacrificing nothing in agility, flexibility, quickness, etc the 2 inches would help in some situations, but that isn't real life.

 

[Ring 6]

A couple of games, thats it. Kline was bad but he wasn't Devey bad.

I would call Kline a poor talent, who was good at carrying out his assignment and being in the right place but when he got there he wasn't very talented and often overmatched.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

Andy

I have said on more than one occasion, amid all the moaning, that when the IOL gets healthy it will be better than any that BB/Scar has fielded. Cannon is healthy and playing ROT where he belongs. Add a First Round BIG LOT in the 2017 draft and develop him at ROT. Like Vollmer who is adding the years on, but with health is good for two or three more years. Voila the best and deepest O-line of the BB/Scar era.

When's the last time the patriots have drafted an offensive playmaker for Brady in round 1? I say we go RB or WR round 1 next year. Blount Edelman and Amendola all on the wrong side of 30

 

[BobDigital]

How about 6-1? 6-0?

Usually the taller you are the rarer the skill set of a CB is. 5''9-5'10 is the height of most CBs for a reason. To find the same skills in a guy that is 6'0 is not common and why those guys go in round 1. 6'2 or higher is near unheard of. Usually if you are that height you lack some skill but can use your height and the skill you do have to over come it (Ala Brandon Browner who while not skills used his size to bully CBs and knock them off the line).

Rowe at 6'1 is pretty tall for a CB and it is unlikely he has that natural quick twitch to quickly change direction at that size but I do think if he works on his game he can be a player like Talib who has the size to push a WR around to gain an edge at the line and the skill to hold on to it after he gains the advantage for 4-5 seconds while being very hard to throw over.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

Andy Johnson

How can you say height is overrated after watching what journeyman Chris Matthews did to us in the super bowl on jump balls? His height almost single handily defeated us

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Nice response by Tom Curran here:
Curran: Unlikely Pats were 'fooled' in Rowe trade

 

[RobertWeathers]

I'm talking about positional coaching, over the years bb has taken many players off the scrap heap and coached them up to play well. Rowe isn't earth wind moreland, hes much better right from the start. If BB and his staff can coach EWM into being a contributer i'm sure they can do the same and more for Rowe.

Check this out. Rowe's DB coach in Philly under Chip was Cory Undlin. Undlin was on BB's staff in 04 and followed RAC to Cleveland.

I have no idea if he got crappy coaching but if he coached here and for RAC and later for Chip, I'm guessing BB gave his stamp of approval.

I'm sure someone here reached out to Undlin and got the skinny on Rowe. Clearly they were comfortable with what they heard.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Whne kline stepped in last year he played well but other than that hes a jag. His play was inconsistant at best. Sometimes he'd play well but most of the time he wasn't very good.

Kline was a gutty UDFA who got the most out of his limited talent. But he couldn't move anybody in the run game too.

 

[AtomicDawg]

Nice response by Tom Curran here:
Curran: Unlikely Pats were 'fooled' in Rowe trade

Banner still pissed about SB 39. It galls me how many of these owners/former owners are such crybabies/whiners, jeez.

 

[Ring 6]

Andy


When's the last time the patriots have drafted an offensive playmaker for Brady in round 1? I say we go RB or WR round 1 next year. Blount Edelman and Amendola all on the wrong side of 30

Why draft an offensive playmaker for Brady in Round 1 when he makes everyone around him better. Use the #1 to help the team by spending it on a position that isn't going to be fine anyway because of Brady.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Its a fact of life that shorter people are more likely to be quicker and more agile than taller people.
My point is that its not a case where 'the coverage ability is the same' but one guy is taller.
Sure if you could make a good player 2 inches taller while sacrificing nothing in agility, flexibility, quickness, etc the 2 inches would help in some situations, but that isn't real life.

Fine. My original point is that if a 6-1 CB has the same cover skills as a 5-10 CB then I will take the taller player.

We have both made our points.

 

[Peachhead]

OK, someone has to ask. Why does a team dump a 2nd round CB in the NFL* after one season?

Coaching change.