Could Goodell's end come quickly?

[flasox27]

They surely will. So Kraft will surely have an opportunity to explain that he not only won't comply, but that he will participate in the PR hell that will be unleashed upon the league unless PSIgate comes to a rapid and fair conclusion. And all that time he'll sound like the warm Jewish grandfather that he is.

Kraft makes plenty of mistakes, but he also often remedies them. Recall, for example, his role as an interfering owner, "helping" with detailed draft prospect evaluations. That hasn't happened for a very long time.

I hope you are right but I will reserve judgement. He has been making mistakes concerning Goodell for eight years and I have yet to see him blame Goodell for anything.

 

[eom]

yeah, hopefully if he has some kind of collateral estoppage

 

[The Gr8est]

1. Roger Goodell and the owners have agreed that one of his top responsibilities and goals is to minimize the NFL's exposure to scandals. On that score, he has failed spectacularly. He has made both Brady and himself into major lightning rods for criticism, through a sequence of very avoidable errors, the biggest of which are (from the perspective of the average owner):

• He made, or supported the making of, a minor issue into a Very Big Deal.
• He was caught lying to the public, and now is under major media attack himself.

The owners must be very disappointed in him in that respect.

2. Since Goodell lied to everybody else, there's a good chance he lied to the owners as well. If they feel he did, they won't like that.

3. Dumping Goodell would indeed tamp down the scandal problems a lot. Suppose:

• Goodell resigns because he doesn't want to be a distraction from the greatness of the game.
• All PSIgate discipline will be re-decided by a neutral arbitrator after next season, when measurements have been taken at every game in the interim.

How much of the scandal would then endure?

I think it would be a fairly small fraction.

The whole front office needs to go. We are no better off if someone like Pash moves into the Omissioner position.

 

[Mack Herron]

If he wanders up to Joker's section it's over.

 

[Fencer]

The whole front office needs to go. We are no better off if someone like Pash moves into the Omissioner position.

That would be implicit. The new commissioner would have to match Goodell's revenue-generation competence, but otherwise clean house a bit. Alternatively, s/he could be a clearly competent football hire, who would then add a #2 who was strong on the business side. That might be better, actually, as the owners can personally help make up for deficiencies in business skill much more than they can in game-of-football ones.

 

[cupofjoe1962]

The day "who know's when?" Goodell is fired, we should all show up at Foxboro, alert the media & celebrate & burn a Chucky doll.

 

[1960Pats]

No Pats fan in his right mind should want Goodell's end to come quickly.

My vote would be that we tie him to a stake and fire 12 legally inflated footballs at him and see if he can accurately tell us the psi of each hit. If he fails he gets another round of chances until he runs out of breath.

Then we have a big party.

 

[YOUGOTMOSSED]

I doubt it. The owners seem to believe that parity trumps competitive integrity.

Fire Goodell for being a proven liar? He survived the Ray Rice debacle and popular opinion was decidedly against him.

 

[IcyPatriot]

The money he's made ... I doubt he cares ... he has the greatest gig in the country.

 

[chasa]

and give up 43 million dollars a year?

the owners would need to have an out in his contract AND he will probably sue for wrongful terminiation.

 

[Fencer]

and give up 43 million dollars a year?

the owners would need to have an out in his contract AND he will probably sue for wrongful terminiation.

Oh, the "resignation" wouldn't be voluntary.

As for an out -- he's done plenty wrong; I'm sure the lie about the Jastremski/Brady conversation could be construed as cause, should the owners surprise and delight us by choosing to do so.

 

[JoeSixPat]

I doubt that owners instigated it.

I doubt that he even instigated it.

Rather, I think it was instigated by some combination of Kensil, Vincent, Pash et al.

I don't see any reason to assume certain owners are NOT part of this conspiracy

We have heard reports - even when there was NO evidence against Brady and we already KNEW the circumstantial evidence was being manipulated ("best recollection" rejected) - that the OWNERS were pushing Goodell to push harder

I think the NFL media owes it to the fans to get a statement from EVERY owner, as some already have

Until the owners realize that THEY are being held accountable for the person they have in the job, they'll keep Goodell in that figurehead position

But the bottom line is that the evidence is clear - there's PROOF that Goodell has created a culture of corruption, lies and deceit in the NFL

Think about that for a second

Brady as cheater? No proof

Goodell as corrupt liar? Proof

 

[RayClay]

1. Roger Goodell and the owners have agreed that one of his top responsibilities and goals is to minimize the NFL's exposure to scandals. On that score, he has failed spectacularly. He has made both Brady and himself into major lightning rods for criticism, through a sequence of very avoidable errors, the biggest of which are (from the perspective of the average owner):

• He made, or supported the making of, a minor issue into a Very Big Deal.
• He was caught lying to the public, and now is under major media attack himself.

The owners must be very disappointed in him in that respect.

2. Since Goodell lied to everybody else, there's a good chance he lied to the owners as well. If they feel he did, they won't like that.

3. Dumping Goodell would indeed tamp down the scandal problems a lot. Suppose:

• Goodell resigns because he doesn't want to be a distraction from the greatness of the game.
• All PSIgate discipline will be re-decided by a neutral arbitrator after next season, when measurements have been taken at every game in the interim.

How much of the scandal would then endure?

I think it would be a fairly small fraction.

I think it could and that's because his incompetence in this and other cases threatens to kill the golden goose and that's all that matter, ultimately He's being held in contempt of court and previously called a liar in another case and he's going down in flames and probably pissing off the judge in this case, with his statement that he won't compromise.

There's now a possibility the NFLPA will start making noises about anti trust, salary cap and concussions, besides the reordering of rules about player discipline. This and TV contracts etc. could put the ballin motion real quick to find a permanent or transitional replacement and somebody among the owners who is savvy with the media contracts and the NFLPA contract agreement.

Maybe the guy who negotiated both the TV and player contracts.

Seems to me he would have a lot of say about who the nre commissioner is, because without him, this thing could spin out of control.

 

[RayClay]

Oh, the "resignation" wouldn't be voluntary.

As for an out -- he's done plenty wrong; I'm sure the lie about the Jastremski/Brady conversation could be construed as cause, should the owners surprise and delight us by choosing to do so.

No way in the world he quit, he'd be giving up somewhere close to a quarter billion dollars. I think the league could fire him for going against league bylines and hurting the league, in lawyeristic language I posted somewhere else here.

Anyway, there's a section for removal, his actions could easily be interpreted as violating those guideline, and he'd fight it in court and they'd settle.

 

[RayClay]

here's the section. I don't think mentally incapacitated is a reach, but certainsly, in all his bumbling, incompetent dishonesty, he went againsyt something in the guidelines.

"detrimental to the best interests of the League" is a layup.

In the event that the Commissioner or any other officer of the League shall be convicted of a crime involving moral turpitude or be physically or mentally incapacitated to perform his duties or shall fail or refuse to abide by the Constitution and Bylaws of the League, and the Executive Committee finds that such action by such officer is detrimental to the best interests of the League, or in the event the Commissioner or any other officer of the League fails or is unwilling to perform his duties, then such Committee shall have the power after notice and hearing to suspend or remove said officer and to terminate any contract between such Commissioner or officer and the League.

http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2014/09/09/take-remove-roger-goodell-nfl-commissioner/29392/

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

This fluffy unicorn thread of unreality reminds me of our joyful anticipation of picks from the Colts for their psi frame and especially of the major comp picks heading our way for the Revis tampering.
Memories of good times.

 

[Mack Herron]

Michael Chung ‏@MikeChung_ Jul 30

Robert Kraft autographs a sign that says "Fire Goodell" and goes on to say "I agree" #ExonerateBrady

If true this would be a good sign. No way to tell what if anything he is doing about it.

 

[ausbacker]

The owners need not stop at Goodell. They should put a broom through NFL HQ.

 

[RayClay]

This fluffy unicorn thread of unreality reminds me of our joyful anticipation of picks from the Colts for their psi frame and especially of the major comp picks heading our way for the Revis tampering.
Memories of good times.

We're out of the "Alice in wonderland" phase now, though. We're talking federal court, labor complaints, lawsuits and media companies, already losing money, nervous about the commissioner and dirty owners giving the sport a black eye, not to mention triple DUI's, wife beating and other cases that continue, with a commissioner who can't get any punishment to stick in any court.

Wait until the start worrying about the money, meaning the owners and media who provide it. they can't be daft enough to think Goodell created it, when he had to bail on the players contract and rely on one of the owners to negotiate media contracts.

 

[RayClay]

Do you think the owners, owners of the media empire and the players association, who will continue to bring legal grievances, think that the Goodell revealed in the last week is some sort of genius that has caused the NFL to make money?

Did he solve the lockout? or did he go crying to someone else?

Is he the slick media negotiator, or is it chairman of the broadcast committee who just resigned from Viacom?

I believe Kraft assumed he could control Goodell, because he wasn't that bright and had no legal or business experience. He was a glorified clerk/bureacrat and gopher.

Who has done the most to quiet the players and make them accept a rreally ****ty contract? Who negotiated those TV deals? Hmmm

As co-chair of the league’s powerful broadcasting committee, he takes an active role in negotiating the lucrative contracts that allow CBS, Fox, Comcast, ABC, and ESPN to televise NFL games.

http://fortune.com/2010/11/03/footballs-true-patriot/

Those familiar with the negotiations lauded Kraft for his behind-the-scenes help in producing the breakthrough...

He helped create the smaller group of negotiators - without lawyers - that made progress on difficult issues...

Not only did Kraft help owners and players end a 135-day lockout and agree to a 10-year deal, but he did so while tending to his wife, Myra, who died Wednesday of cancer...

He added that Kraft is “a man who helped us save football and we’re so gracious for that, we’re gracious for his family and for the opportunity he presented to get this deal done. So thank you very much - we really appreciate it.’’

Saturday and Kraft then embraced, in what will be the enduring image of this often contentious labor battle.

“We needed him in this process because when he gets up in the room, people listen to him,’’ said New York Giants owner John Mara, another key negotiator on the owners’ side. “When he got up and spoke during any of our negotiating sessions, the players paid attention and respected what he had to say. He had a tremendous influence over this whole process. I don’t really think we would have been standing out in front of the union headquarters announcing this deal if he had not been involved.’’

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2011/07/26/kraft_his_heart_heavy_lifts_nfl/