Schefter: Has Heard Speculation Colts might have deflated the footballs

[RobertWeathers]

"If" has been employed as a passive aggressive cloak to wildly speculate.

Yes, Cris Carter did use the word "if" before he condemned the Patriots to eternal damnation in a 6 minute tyrade during the SB Postgame Show.

"If" is a get out of jail card.

For me, when he denied to have any knowledge of the scenarios that Dilfer laid out, he destroyed any shred of credibility and perceived objectiveness he had. Plus I think he was being disingenuous. Hs just wants to hate and be righteous. Jerk.

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

What rumor?

That NE's balls weren't properly inflated, and there was sufficient evidence to investigate.

 

[Ring 6]

"If" has been employed as a passive aggressive cloak to wildly speculate.

Yes, Cris Carter did use the word "if" before he condemned the Patriots to eternal damnation in a 3 minute tirade during the SB Postgame Show.

Watch this sewage flow and tell me how using the word "if" is good journalism.



"If" is a get out of jail card.

I really have no problem with what Carter says here.
He went way out of his way to explain that any tainting is if the investigation proves they deflated the ball.
And I agree. If the Patriots deflated the footballs, that does affect their legacy (which is what Carter said).
I don't agree with his claim that we don't know other people bent the rules, but I understand the point he is making.
I didn't here any condemnation or assumption of guilt.
If the investigation showed the Patriots tampered, would you agree with Carter that it affect their legacy?
I'm pretty sure if the investigation proves they did not, he will clearly say that removes any doubt that surfaced when it was an accusation.

 

[shmessy]

So your argument is that the league knowingly leaked incorrect and damaging information about the Patriots, then Bob Kraft got mad, so they decided to leak information that would cause a hysteria because a ball boy was alone with the balls, setting out upon a nation of mediots timing how fast they could deflate footballs. (Again, an option would be to not leak this information and make it a part of the final report, as they had promised to do)

Not at all. I contend that the league was sloppy and lazy for the first 4 days until it became embarrassed by what the rogue leaker(s) was doing. At that point on that Friday, they contracted with Ted Wells and Jeff and the leaks slowed to a near halt until Glazer came out on Monday with the 'ballboy took the two bags to an undisclosed location', followed a few hours later by the squelching 'It was only for 90 seconds to the John' from Florio.

6 days later the Rapapport new football measurement report on the NFL website.

The sea change occurred just after the Glazer report when Kraft issued his statement. Only two occurred after that - - one that put out the fire of Glazer's report and one 6 days later on NFL.com.

 

[JMC00]

They do not squash opinons (or at least, they publicly try not to).

However, if one of their employees was publishing known falsehoods about the football measurements, they would not let it stay up.

I agree.

No-way Rapoport puts this out there without NFL approval or at least a 100% credible source.

NFL could have easily killed his story under the guise of letting the investigation run its course.

 

[shmessy]

I really have no problem with what Carter says here.
He went way out of his way to explain that any tainting is if the investigation proves they deflated the ball.
And I agree. If the Patriots deflated the footballs, that does affect their legacy (which is what Carter said).
I don't agree with his claim that we don't know other people bent the rules, but I understand the point he is making.
I didn't here any condemnation or assumption of guilt.
If the investigation showed the Patriots tampered, would you agree with Carter that it affect their legacy?
I'm pretty sure if the investigation proves they did not, he will clearly say that removes any doubt that surfaced when it was an accusation.

The investigation has not concluded yet.

Why speculate on something that has zero evidence within one hour of the Super Bowl? You may think that is appropriate, I don't.

If Cris Carter gave his teammates illegal drugs, then his legacy should be tainted and he should not be a member of the Hall of Fame.

HEY! Hopefully, someone could have talked about that on air one hour after his Hall of Fame induction speech.

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

We don't know if any of the rumors about pressure levels are correct. What we know is that the media and fans have been selective about which rumors they chose to report and believe, and pointng the fact out that by their own standards they used to call Brady a liar and NE cheats, they now have to apply to Indy. If they don't they they're being hypocrites.

 

[shmessy]

For me, when he denied to have any knowledge of the scenarios that Dilfer laid out, he destroyed any shred of credibility and perceived objectiveness he had. Plus I think he was being disingenuous. Hs just wants to hate and be righteous. Jerk.

But JJDChe and Andy says it's ok because he used the word "if".

It's called Innuendo. Evidently it is ok when media personalities employ it on national television. It is only wrong when employed on a fan website.

 

[Ring 6]

Not at all. I contend that the league was sloppy and lazy for the first 4 days until it became embarrassed by what the rogue leaker(s) was doing. At that point on that Friday, they contracted with Ted Wells and Jeff and the leaks slowed to a near halt until Glazer came out on Monday with the 'ballboy took the two bags to an undisclosed location', followed a few hours later by the squelching 'It was only for 90 seconds to the John' from Florio.

6 days later the Rapapport new football measurement report on the NFL website.

The sea change occurred just after the Glazer report when Kraft issued his statement. Only two occurred after that - - one that put out the fire of Glazer's report and one 6 days later on NFL.com.

I don't understand your point.
Since the NFL waited over 2 weeks to leak info to Rapaport that conflicts with what was leaked to Mort, then Rapaports leak is fact?
You are going in circles.

 

[Ring 6]

But JJDChe and Andy says it's ok because he used the word "if".

What specifically did he say that you take issue with and you feel was hidden behind if?

He was asked if it affects their legacy and he responded how he felt it would if it were true.
I'm pretty sure we know the answer to how it affects them if it isnt true.

 

[Ring 6]

The investigation has not concluded yet.

Why speculate on something that has zero evidence within one hour of the Super Bowl? You may think that is appropriate, I don't.

He was asked.
He stated MANY times that this is only if they are found to have tampered with the ball.

If Cris Carter gave his teammates illegal drugs, then his legacy should be tainted and he should not be a member of the Hall of Fame.

I'm sure he would agree that this would be part of his legacy. He is very upfront about his drug issues, and he actually counsels other players to help them not make the same mistakes.
The HOF charter says it cannot consider off the field actions, by the way.

HEY! Hopefully, someone could have talked about that on air one hour after his Hall of Fame induction speech.

You seem to think that Carter grabbed a microphone while something else was being discussed and brought up the topic.
He did not.
In fact Dilfer spoke more, why are we not ripping him for talking about deflategate right after the SB?

Difler actually is the one who is wrong if he thinks that a guilty verdict would not affect their legacies.

What do you want people to say? Even if the cheated we love them and everyone should ignore it?
Or "No comment".
My god, its not like he even implied he thought they were guilty.

If you want to rail on Carter find his earlier comments where he said something like "someone took that air out". But the ones you put in here are benign.

 

[RobertWeathers]

But JJDChe and Andy says it's ok because he used the word "if".

It's called Innuendo. Evidently it is ok when media personalities employ it on national television. It is only wrong when employed on a fan website.

Carter and Dilfer got way too emotional which I think is systematic of how polarizing , uncompromising and closed minded this issue made people become.

My problem with Carter was the venom behind his righteousness. He came across so holier then thou it made me sick.

The fact that he spoke with such emotion, shook his head and put up his arms as the segment was closing down made his true sentiments known. He could have softened his position by saying, "If they didn't deflate balls then their legacy is fine.". We know hes still on the Spygate bandwagon so that position was an impossibility for CC.

Here he is today. Mr. Righteousness.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/09/cris-carter-says-he-never-used-stickum/

“I never used #StickumGate , and @JerryRiceisn’t speaking about me or for me,” Hall of Famer Cris Carter recently said on Twitter.

Carter elaborated earlier Monday: “God made my hands, he put #StickumGate on them, never a need to use anything but my God giving talent, and perfect it with a Jugs machine.”

So while no former receivers have come forward to say that, yes, they used stickum, too, one guy has said clearly and unequivocally that he didn’t.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

I think the Atlanta Sound Machine's legacy is tainted now. Oh wait. They don't have one. Well that same crowd noise thing sure taints the Colts' legacy. Oh wait. They don't have one.

Come to think off it, anybody else but the Pats have a legacy right about now?

FU guys, quit with the taint thing. Get your own damn legacy. Jebus.

 

[flasox27]

What surprises me most about this thread is how defensive some posters have become about the indefensible witch hunt the Goodell's NFL and his mediots have created inconjuction with the colts hierarchy and yet worry that the crap may backfire on the colts if they are subjected to a miniscule amount of the same scrutiny. What is even more unbelievable. is that these posters claim to be Pats fans.

 

[Ivan]

The NFL didn't start any rumors or give any false information. Sure, someone who works for the NFL could've given a reporter some information, but that's under the table info, that's not information 'from the NFL'. I have no problem with how the NFL handled it. The media is the real culprit.

Sorry, not buying it. If the NFL took those leaks seriously heads would have rolled. They let the leaks go unchallenged and whomever was responsible is still getting paid by them. It was b disgraceful and no one is being held accountable. If the Wells report exonerates the Patriots Kraft should sue their assess for the damage they have done. The media and the league are both responsible and should be ripped for the cluster f.ck they generated. I'm frankly amazed that you have little to no problem with the League's actions or media behavior but you were ripping into message board posters for mocking the Colts.

 

[Deus Irae]

Deflategate threads aren't going into the deflategate forums anymore?

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I believe the pats are absolved of any wrongdoing......beyond that, I don't care........having the colts be complicit does the pats no good.......it's not like if the colts lose a draft pick, that they'll gove it to the pats.

In both of the (recent) cases of tampering of which we're aware, the tampering team has sacrificed draft position to the aggrieved team. It's not inconceivable (though not a given) such a remedy could be used here (e.g., the Pats get the Colts' second and the Colts get the Pats' third).

 

[Gronkowski123]

if this is true, then we should get the colts 1st round pick!

 

[shmessy]

Deflategate threads aren't going into the deflategate forums anymore?

Super Bowl is over.

Did ya hear?

Pats won!

 

[Deus Irae]

Super Bowl is over.

Did ya hear?

Pats won!

There's a response involving slang and a 2nd person personal pronoun that would be appropriate here, but Ian prefers that such things not be posted here, so I'll leave it at that.