Tough Decision Coming Up For Patriots Between Mallett, Hoyer

[patsfan13]

Trade Hoyer, he sucks, hopefully for a 3rd round pick, if we can sucker someone, and then sign Vince Young (way better than Hoyer).

With the number of first and Second year QB who have come into the league and the failures of guys like Kolb and Flynn Hoyer has very litle trade value, perhaps Az for a 6th or 7th.

VY???????????

He is the anti Patriot.

 

[PatsDeb]

I'd go with Mallett. He played better (not by much, but better) for the whole preseason and he just looks better out there. Sorry Brian, but you didn't show us much....

 

[PatsDeb]

With the number of first and Second year QB who have come into the league and the failures of guys like Kolb and Flynn Hoyer has very litle trade value, perhaps Az for a 6th or 7th.

VY???????????

He is the anti Patriot.

Agreed on all points. Hoyer doesn't have much trade value and what the heck would we want VY for? He'd never be able to learn the offense, besides all the other problems he brings to the table. I don't know that I'd get rid of Hoyer; I'd just switch around the No. 2 and No. 3 QBs. I understand we need the roster space though.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

I'd go with Mallett. He played better (not by much, but better) for the whole preseason and he just looks better out there. Sorry Brian, but you didn't show us much....

Only the concensus is he didn't. Some feel he played as well and Hoyer didn't hold him off, but most of those folks are looking at the stats and not the film and we know how Bill feels about that. Or they're looking at the contract situation. Bill saying they were even or given equal opportunities (which wasn't remotely true in practice throughout) is likely part of what seemed to be a conscious effort to promote Mallett's perception because they knew what they had in Hoyer. He's either trying to convince himself or Andy Reid some sucker. Better hope it's the latter.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Agreed on all points. Hoyer doesn't have much trade value and what the heck would we want VY for? He'd never be able to learn the offense, besides all the other problems he brings to the table. I don't know that I'd get rid of Hoyer; I'd just switch around the No. 2 and No. 3 QBs. I understand we need the roster space though.

If they do that given the pay discrepancy it will just be for show (effort to pump up Mallett's stock) and the #3 will be active on game day. And the #2 will be running the scout team except on certain weeks when the #3 will be essentially both taking #2 snaps AND running the scout team as Hoyer did multiple times last season.

 

[Kontradiction]

If you ask me, they've both looked like hot garbage.

 

[Deus Irae]

Mallett's decision making is lousy, and his accuracy is spotty. If he's the backup, that would mean that BB thinks Hoyer has regressed, and that would mean that this team is screwed if Brady goes down.

 

[PatsDeb]

Only the concensus is he didn't. Some feel he played as well and Hoyer didn't hold him off, but most of those folks are looking at the stats and not the film and we know how Bill feels about that. Or they're looking at the contract situation. Bill saying they were even or given equal opportunities (which wasn't remotely true in practice throughout) is likely part of what seemed to be a conscious effort to promote Mallett's perception because they knew what they had in Hoyer. He's either trying to convince himself or Andy Reid some sucker. Better hope it's the latter.

What consensus do you mean? I've seen Mallett out there trying to avoid the rush and make something happen. Hoyer, not so much. That strip sack at the end of the game last night was just brutal. He stood there with happy feet and had no clue that Jumbo the Elephant was bearing down on him. Held the ball way too long and too loosely. The only comfort I can take from Hoyer is that he looked a lot like Matt Cassell in 2008's preseason. He looked terrible but BB kept saying that we fans don't see what he sees, and when Cassell got the call he performed well.

If the goal is to have a serviceable back-up who can (gulp) eventually replace Brady isn't Mallett the better choice? I don't think we are going to get any trade offers for Hoyer anyway, so this is all probably moot.

 

[Linda_The_Pats_Fan (She was NEM)]

There really is no tough decision here.

Hoyer has stated that he want to start somewhere and he will be gone next season as a free agent.

Mallett was drafted for the sole purpose of becoming the starter when Brady decides to call it quits, which IMO will be within 2 years, especially if they should win another super bowl this season.

They will carry all three this season but I would fully expect to see them use Mallett, more so than Hoyer, if the situation came about.

 

[DW Toys]

If you ask me, they've both looked like hot garbage.

Have to agree Cousin. I watched many pre-season games and our back ups were the worst other than the Jets NFL backups Snachez and Tebow.

Hoyer has regressed badly. He even said himself prior to the pre season games this was his time to shine.

If there is an advantage. Mallet can move. Actually makes better plays on the run and Hoyer has absolutely no NFL "QB head clock". Remember Hoyer has a few pre-seasons and actual NFL snaps under his belt and this is really Mallet's "Rookie" pre season.

Thought Hoyer would make a case for himself in 2013 but he whiffed. Hoyer had majority of practice snaps over Mallet. I can't even see a reasonable discussion about who to keep if they are tied.

I wouldn't be proud of either. You have to err on the upside though.

DW Toys

 

[Kontradiction]

Mallett's decision making is lousy, and his accuracy is spotty. If he's the backup, that would mean that BB thinks Hoyer has regressed, and that would mean that this team is screwed if Brady goes down.

IMO, the team would be screwed either way if Brady went down. Neither guy looks like they could manage this roster the way Cassel did in 2008. But, then again, Cassel didn't look like he could manage the roster in the preseason that year the way Cassel did in 2008.

 

[patfanken]

All these comments sound remarkably similar to those being made back in after the preseason games back in 2008. Like I've said before. Think about what you think about Mallet/Hoyer right now, and it was worse back then..

 

[Deus Irae]

IMO, the team would be screwed either way if Brady went down. Neither guy looks like they could manage this roster the way Cassel did in 2008. But, then again, Cassel didn't look like he could manage the roster in the preseason that year the way Cassel did in 2008.

In 2008, I defended Cassel. In 2012, I'll defend Hoyer, but to a lesser degree since I think he showed a frustration that was unhealthy under the circumstances. However, as I pointed out elsewhere, Mallett made the same bad read/pass on the sideline pass in 3 of the 4 games. Repeating mistakes like that is a problem that tells me the kid's not ready.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

IMO, the team would be screwed either way if Brady went down. Neither guy looks like they could manage this roster the way Cassel did in 2008. But, then again, Cassel didn't look like he could manage the roster in the preseason that year the way Cassel did in 2008.

That's the problem with focusing on the pre season alone and also on focusing on production at the position as opposed to running the offense however undermanned in the same way Brady would. The test on gameday is as much about the other two dozen odd guys who may be fighting for roster spots as it is about the backup competition, sometimes even moreso. Cassel had already proven enough. Hoyer has as well. They still don't know what Mallett is. His ceiling might be higher or he might simply never achieve it. Hoyer may have topped out. Ditto Cassel. But their floor to ceiling ratio was within average starter range (given what that is in this league today). Mallett's floor still remains as lower just as his potential ceiling remains high. Won't matter until he closes his own gap.

 

[DocHoliday]

Honestly they both suck and we're looking really hard to see a glimpse of 01 Brady in two guys that just don't have the magic.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

There really is no tough decision here.

Hoyer has stated that he want to start somewhere and he will be gone next season as a free agent.

Mallett was drafted for the sole purpose of becoming the starter when Brady decides to call it quits, which IMO will be within 2 years, especially if they should win another super bowl this season.

They will carry all three this season but I would fully expect to see them use Mallett, more so than Hoyer, if the situation came about.

I'm not sure which half of that sentence is more wrong.

 

[Steve102]

Trade Hoyer, he sucks, hopefully for a 3rd round pick, if we can sucker someone, and then sign Vince Young (way better than Hoyer).

he sucks, you want a third round, and you want Vince Young? Sorry, this makes zero sense to me. If he sucks, why would you hold out for a third? The very fact you want a third means the guy has some ability. Vince Young, of the -3 wonderlick score? That Vince Young? Please, child.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

he sucks, you want a third round, and you want Vince Young? Sorry, this makes zero sense to me.

I'd sooner let Vince Wilfork sling the rock.

 

[Ian]

I gave Hoyer the benefit of the doubt and had my reservations about Mallett, but looking at the body of work we've seen this preseason - which overall wasn't earthshattering - my thoughts were they may just opt to move on from Hoyer and grab someone for the PS. They need the roster spot, and I just don't feel like under the circumstances Hoyer has done enough to stay. The worst part is he didn't even play well enough to give them value in a trade at this point (maybe a 6th or 7th?). It's just disappointing.

If you look at the passing charts I posted, they're more or less dead even. They drafted Mallett with the plan of him being here for the long haul anyway, so it wouldn't surprise me if that starts now. Let's face it, if Brady goes down and Mallett does too, things will have had to go pretty wrong and we'll have bigger things to worry about

 

[Kontradiction]

That's the problem with focusing on the pre season alone and also on focusing on production at the position as opposed to running the offense however undermanned in the same way Brady would. The test on gameday is as much about the other two dozen odd guys who may be fighting for roster spots as it is about the backup competition, sometimes even moreso. Cassel had already proven enough. Hoyer has as well. They still don't know what Mallett is. His ceiling might be higher or he might simply never achieve it. Hoyer may have topped out. Ditto Cassel. But their floor to ceiling ratio was within average starter range (given what that is in this league today). Mallett's floor still remains as lower just as his potential ceiling remains high. Won't matter until he closes his own gap.

I wasn't a supporter of the Mallett pick when it happened (I thought there were wiser ways to spend that pick, and still do) but I have been a supporter of Mallett throughout the offseason. I highlighted the possibility that he could have been possibly drafted to be Brady's eventual replacement, but that he had some extensive work to do beforehand. That extensive work, in his second year, still doesn't look like it's been done. He's still relying way too much on his God-given physical tools and not enough on his brain. His decision making is lacking and his accuracy is sometimes woefully off on throws. The decision making is something he needs to fix on his own, and it may never happen. The off accuracy is due to his mechanics from what I can see. Often times, and especially with pressure in his face, Mallett has a tendency to not step all the way into his throws and instead becomes a statue in the pocket. The result has been some bad passes, many of which are typically behind the receiver on slants and crossing routes.

Either way, though, neither guy has looked particularly good. If Brady went down this year (God forbid), we would once again benefit from what looks to be an easy schedule the way we did in 2008 having to play the NFC West and AFC South for our out of division games. But let's hope it doesn't come to that because I've seen quite a few things from Hoyer that give me pause as well.