Thank You For Your Service B.O.B. - Why Don't You Start FT at PSU Now

[BigHoss28]

This makes it sound as if throwing the go-route to Slater was the only play sent out from the sidelines. I'm sure it was only part of a mix of options that included some form of run, throwing to someone else, etc. I'm also sure that there was a caveat on the option to Slater - something like, "If it's there, go for it; but, if it's not . . . ." It wasn't there, but Brady went for it anyway. Execution certainly wasn't perfect on either end, however, IIRC, the two Ravens defenders BOTH had to make outstanding plays to come up with a pick. If either one of them is something LESS than outstanding on that play, it's Pats ball, 2nd-and-10 from the 50 at worst.

And absolutely ZERO of that is on BoB. None of it. Nada. Unless one thinks the OC should never include a potential "kill shot" in the mix because of the inherent risk factors.

I think it is at least partly on O'Brien. The first read was clearly the go. The first read is determined by the playcall. Brady should've checked out of the play before the snap anyway, so yes a lot of it falls on Brady as well.

But O'Brien could have out-maneuvered the Ravens by baiting them into a favorable coverage on second down, which could have been done by getting 4 or 5 on first down with a draw.

 

[Deus Irae]

This makes it sound as if throwing the go-route to Slater was the only play sent out from the sidelines. I'm sure it was only part of a mix of options that included some form of run, throwing to someone else, etc. I'm also sure that there was a caveat on the option to Slater - something like, "If it's there, go for it; but, if it's not . . . ." It wasn't there, but Brady went for it anyway. Execution certainly wasn't perfect on either end, however, IIRC, the two Ravens defenders BOTH had to make outstanding plays to come up with a pick. If either one of them is something LESS than outstanding on that play, it's Pats ball, 2nd-and-10 from the 50 at worst.

And absolutely ZERO of that is on BoB. None of it. Nada. Unless one thinks the OC should never include a potential "kill shot" in the mix because of the inherent risk factors.

I'm sorry, but this is simply not correct.

 

[ATippett56]

I strongly disagree with this. With a 10 or even 7 point lead, sure. Not with a 3 point lead.

The Seattle Seahawks closed out the Baltimore Ravens by running the football late in the fourth quarter at CenturyLink Field earlier this season.

The need was there to at least take a chance at capitalizing on the turnover.

Not with Matthew Slater as the primary receiver on the play. A screen pass to BJGE would have been a better and much safer play call.

As I said, a draw on first down would've been the ideal call, then you can call the rest of the drive based on how successful you are on first down. You shouldn't limit yourself by taking the chance on first down when it will be there later in the drive.

Time was the bigger enemy for the Baltimore Ravens at that stage in the fourth quarter.

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

this is so absurd. McDaniels was criticized after the 2007 SB for the bad game plan, lack of half time adjustments and yet you want BB gone to be replaced by who? he would be replaced by McDaniels unless you just want BB to coach every position and coordinate every grouping.

 

[BigHoss28]

The Seattle Seahawks closed out the Baltimore Ravens by running the football late in the fourth quarter at CenturyLink Field earlier this season.

Not with Matthew Slater as the primary receiver on the play. A screen pass to BJGE would have been a better and much safer play call.

Time was the bigger enemy for the Baltimore Ravens at that stage in the fourth quarter.

I'm not disagreeing with you. Slater was a poor personnel choice.

I honestly, no offense, don't care how another team finished off the Ravens earlier in the season, it isn't comparable in any way. Different situations, players, just a thousand variables.

I love screens, and a screen or draw (draw would've been a better choice because there is no danger of an incomplete pass) on first down is exactly what I would've run.

 

[VrabelJr]

The gameplan should always hinge on the running game. However, just because the Giants' pass rush and secondary are their strengths doesn't mean the Pats are going to run all over them. I'm sure the Giants are aware of their strengths and weaknesses, their gameplan will be to stop the run.

The Patriots need to use the Giants' aggressiveness against them with 3-step drops, quick hitters, shovel passes, middle screens, straight up screens... That stuff should be set up by the inside and outside zone and plenty of draws on first and second down.

This is the NFL, not high school. Nobody's game plan surprises any body. The Giants know their weaknesses, we know their weaknesses and we know each other's game plans. In the NFL it very rarely about surprise. It's about execution. Execution in the NFL means your opponents know what you're about to do but you are still able to do it successfully.

There will be no surprises in this game.

 

[ATippett56]

McDaniels was criticized after the 2007 SB for the bad game plan, lack of half time adjustments.

The New England Patriots offensive line was manhandled by the New York Giants defensive line. Football games are won in the trenches.

 

[shmessy]

it seems to me Brady made those decisions. and it is BB fault if you are insinuating that BoB can't do the job. BB could let BoB go but he chooses to keep him.

So I'm sorry if you think you know more than BB. and that's in text.

Please. That's ridiculous.

We can hope BB makes this decision or that decision 20 times per day without any one of us thinking presumptuously that we know more than BB.

I am concerned that BOB has 2 employers and a National Letter of Intent Day 3 days before the SB. I felt he called a very poor gameplan yesterday - - and while YOU may want to center the entire discussion on just ONE play, the discussion was based on the entire game.

If you want to make the Bob Beamon record leap to interpreting that as "You think you know more than BB", then go for it - knock yourself out.

 

[BigHoss28]

This is the NFL, not high school. Nobody's game plan surprises any body. The Giants know their weaknesses, we know their weaknesses and we know each other's game plans. In the NFL it very rarely about surprise. It's about execution. Execution in the NFL means your opponents know what you're about to do but you are still able to do it successfully.

There will be no surprises in this game.

Well, this is exactly what I just said. But you are wrong about one thing, the defense doesn't ALWAYS know what you're doing, that is just not true. If you think offenses don't fool defense at times in the NFL, you are not watching.

Also, taking advantage of a team's aggressiveness doesn't mean fooling them. It means taking advantage of their aggressiveness.

 

[shmessy]

this is so absurd. McDaniels was criticized after the 2007 SB for the bad game plan, lack of half time adjustments and yet you want BB gone to be replaced by who? he would be replaced by McDaniels unless you just want BB to coach every position and coordinate every grouping.

McDaniels right now has ONE employer and won't be making any college recruiting calls over the next 9 days until the "big day" on Wednesday February 1st.

Ignore that as you will - - but others see it.

 

[BigHoss28]

The New England Patriots offensive line was manhandled by the New York Giants defensive line. Football games are won in the trenches.

I agree but would amend this statement to read that the interior of the Pats' OL was manhandled. The tackles played decently.

 

[Snake Eyes]

The New England Patriots offensive line was manhandled by the New York Giants defensive line. Football games are won in the trenches.

That's a damn good reason why you don't want deep passes that need a long time to develop, slants and screens would have nullified a lot of the pressure the Giants were bringing.

 

[SoonerPatriot]

Just to play devils advocate: what if McDaniels calling the plays in the SB would cross the Giants up in any way as far as tendencies? Obviously these guys study what the other likes to call in certain situations. I would guess BB has a very long book on Kevin Gilbride's tendencies and vice versa for Perry Fewell and O'Brien.

That being said things are working fine so why fix it?

 

[BigHoss28]

Just to play devils advocate: what if McDaniels calling the plays in the SB would cross the Giants up in any way as far as tendencies? Obviously these guys study what the other likes to call in certain situations an McDaniels might like something else on 3rd and 8.

That being said things are working fine so why fix it?

A smart OC knows his own tendencies and abandons them for a game like this.

Doesn't mean he doesn't stay in line with some of them, but I think you'd have to be a moron to adhere to your tendencies in a one game sample situation.

 

[shmessy]

The New England Patriots offensive line was manhandled by the New York Giants defensive line. Football games are won in the trenches.

THIS.

Last night, the Patriots OL were MANHANDLING the Ravens D.

In SB 42 the offensive line was getting manhandled EVERYWHERE. Run more? With Maroney???? With Neal out????? Nick Kazcur at RT?????? Pass????? Brady was getting mauled in lightning time.

I thought the gameplan in SB42 was good. The OL simply couldn't cut it. Not on the ground and not in the air.

This year's Patriots OL has a better Center, a better RG and a better RT. They also have better depth on the bench and a better blocking TE (Kyle Brady was a head case in 2007).

Last night, one portion was actually working......

 

[ATippett56]

That's a damn good reason why you don't want deep passes that need a long time to develop, slants and screens would have nullified a lot of the pressure the Giants were bringing.

As far as I can remember, the New England Patriots offense did not throw even one screen pass to a running back against the Baltimore Ravens defense.

 

[reflexblue]

As far as I can remember, the New England Patriots offense did not throw even one screen pass to a running back against the Baltimore Ravens defense.

At one time the pats were one of the best at running the screen which seems to have been forgotten under BOB. If your going to pass that much you need to slow the pass rush down. Something that seems to have been forgotten

 

[ATippett56]

THIS.

Last night, the Patriots OL were MANHANDLING the Ravens D.

The New England Patriots offense was running the football effectively with BJGE against the Baltimore Ravens defense in a nickel defensive alignment. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

In SB 42 the offensive line was getting manhandled EVERYWHERE. Run more? With Maroney???? With Neal out????? Nick Kazcur at RT?????? Pass????? Brady was getting mauled in lightning time.

I thought the gameplan in SB42 was good. The OL simply couldn't cut it. Not on the ground and not in the air.

I don't wish to relive the nightmare.

This year's Patriots OL has a better Center, a better RG and a better RT. They also have better depth on the bench and a better blocking TE (Kyle Brady was a head case in 2007).

Last night, one portion was actually working......

Run the football, take time off the clock, expend the opposition timeouts, pin the opposition deep in their own territory if a punt is warranted. Situational football at its best with the lead halfway into the fourth quarter.

 

[ATippett56]

At one time the pats were one of the best at running the screen which seems to have been forgotten under BOB. If your going to pass that much you need to slow the pass rush down. Something that seems to have been forgotten.

Which is mind boggling when you think about it.

 

[reflexblue]

Which is mind boggling when you think about it.

I know and what makes it worse is that it keeps getting repeated.