Jet Fan Twitter source: Pats to shop Welker

[Triumph]

Because there is no one on the roster nearly as good as Welker.
You want to improve by losing the best WR on the team?

NE improved after getting rid of Randy Moss. Have you ever heard of a rookie WR lighting the NFL up? Look at what Gronkowski and Hernandez did this season.

The NE WR corps will be different next season. Just watch, BB will not stand pat and keep things the same so defenses can take away all the short to intermediate throws that would snuff out the NE offense again.

 

[Triumph]

There are plenty of opportunites for Edelman to play.
Its ridiculous to suggest that he could be an adequate Welker replacement but couldn't get on the field ahead of TEs.

Its not ridiculous in the least.

Edleman has learned a totally new position where the TEs havent. The offense changed to a TE oriented attack after Moss left. To conclude that Edleman could not take Welkers place when he has already done so and performed admirably is really foolish.

 

[upstater1]

Edelman hasn't been able to stay healthy.

Welker takes big hits and keeps getting back up.

Therefore, I end this entire discussion.

 

[Ring 6]

Its not ridiculous in the least.

Edleman has learned a totally new position where the TEs havent. The offense changed to a TE oriented attack after Moss left. To conclude that Edleman could not take Welkers place when he has already done so and performed admirably is really foolish.

OK, so you think Edelman can easily replace the guy who has led the league in receiving the last 4 years, but there was no reason to get him on the field this year. I guess we will just have to totally disagree.

 

[SanAngeloState]

with 2 TEs is welker just cluttering up the short field?

I like him but wonder what they could get for him. He is a reliable safety outlet...on the other hand brady throws a lot of 3-4 yard passes to him.

 

[Ring 6]

with 2 TEs is welker just cluttering up the short field?

I like him but wonder what they could get for him. He is a reliable safety outlet...on the other hand brady throws a lot of 3-4 yard passes to him.

I suppose the fact that a recovering Welker, who also sat out the last game caught 86 passes while the 2 TEs combined to catch 87 should get factored into your thinking somewhere.
If anyone could catch all of the passes Welker does, they would be doing so.

 

[Deus Irae]

NE improved after getting rid of Randy Moss. Have you ever heard of a rookie WR lighting the NFL up? Look at what Gronkowski and Hernandez did this season.

The NE WR corps will be different next season. Just watch, BB will not stand pat and keep things the same so defenses can take away all the short to intermediate throws that would snuff out the NE offense again.

How did New England improve after getting rid of Moss?

 

[townes]

It's a done deal, POLISHINGEDSFIREHAT tweet confirms that the Patriots will trade Welker for a 6th and are hoping for a fourth for Brady, he also says that his sources confirm that Belichik will step down to take over the Bengals for minimum wage.

 

[PatsDeb]

It's a done deal, POLISHINGEDSFIREHAT tweet confirms that the Patriots will trade Welker for a 6th and are hoping for a fourth for Brady, he also says that his sources confirm that Belichik will step down to take over the Bengals for minimum wage.

Good one. Probably about as reliable as the original tweet. If we have learned anything in the BB era, from our own team and others, it's that no one is completely safe and any team could pull off any deal you didn't think possible at any moment. I still think Welker is safe, though, as he has a good rapport with Brady, can do a lot of things, is a BB-type player, and there really is no reason to let him go. We need a deep threat, but I think Tate's place on the team is more in danger than Welker's, as Tate failed to impress in the role all season, and fizzled at KR after a great start.

 

[Triumph]

How did New England improve after getting rid of Moss?

Youre kidding right?

If not, Football Outsiders has all the numbers.

 

[townes]

Seriously, this is a ridiculous idea. The Patriots receivers played well and the return to a spreading the ball around was welcome but WR is an position that needs to be upgraded not diminished, and getting rid of Welker would diminish it significantly. Tate, Edelman, and Price are unproven and haven't shown the ability to be starters and big contributors to this point, and while everyone wants them to pan out it makes no sense to pencil them in at the cost of losing one of the best players in football.If anything i'd like to see the Patriots add a serious downfield threat because if the Jet game showed anything it was that teams could pack defenders in and make life really difficult for their offense. I doubt they will pay Vincent jackson but there should be some options in free agency and the draft and hopefully Price will contribute more next year. Getting rid of Welker is beyond stupid and it's not surprising a Jet fan is the source of the idea.

 

[Deus Irae]

Youre kidding right?

If not, Football Outsiders has all the numbers.

Scoring went down .5 ppg once Moss left, and that's despite Brady playing much better after the Cleveland game.

The idea that the offense was better without Moss is a myth, nothing more.


Given what transpired, what would have been idea would have been to either move Moss before the start of the season and bring in someone else to serve as the deep/speed WR. They didn't do that, so the next best thing would have been to keep Moss and still bring in Branch. BB screwed up, and it cost the team in the playoffs against the Jets.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Scoring went down .5 ppg once Moss left, and that's despite Brady playing much better after the Cleveland game.

The idea that the offense was better without Moss is a myth, nothing more.


Given what transpired, what would have been idea would have been to either move Moss before the start of the season and bring in someone else to serve as the deep/speed WR. They didn't do that, so the next best thing would have been to keep Moss and still bring in Branch. BB screwed up, and it cost the team in the playoffs against the Jets.

Ummm . . . you're assuming that keeping Moss on the team wouldn't have led to another Thomas-like mess. It's possible it wouldn't, but how can you know for sure?

 

[Deus Irae]

Ummm . . . you're assuming that keeping Moss on the team wouldn't have led to another Thomas-like mess. It's possible it wouldn't, but how can you know for sure?

We can't. We can't know that it would have, either. So, since, we're not the people who were in the locker room, we've got to take what we've got.

 

[Triumph]

Scoring went down .5 ppg once Moss left, and that's despite Brady playing much better after the Cleveland game.

The idea that the offense was better without Moss is a myth, nothing more.

Youre wrong.

With Moss - 96 points div by 4 games = 24.0 ppg
Post Moss - 359 points div by 12 games = 29.9 ppg

Try taking out the INTs, KO returns and blocked punts for TDs.

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[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

Shopping Welker is the most ridiculous idea I have ever seen proposed on here, except for the threads back in 2008 that suggested we should shop Brady when Cassel was playing decently.

He was nowhere near 100% and was still the #1 option on the #1 offense and the guy TB looked for when he needed a key completion.

The offense did get better without Moss, and with a year of recovery for Wes, a year of maturity for Gronk, Hernandez, Tate, and even Price I think the receiving corps will be better next year with no significant additions or deletions. The age of Deion and Alge worries me a little, but Wes returning to a pro bowl level next year is not something I doubt in the least.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Scoring went down .5 ppg once Moss left, and that's despite Brady playing much better after the Cleveland game.

The idea that the offense was better without Moss is a myth, nothing more.


Given what transpired, what would have been idea would have been to either move Moss before the start of the season and bring in someone else to serve as the deep/speed WR. They didn't do that, so the next best thing would have been to keep Moss and still bring in Branch. BB screwed up, and it cost the team in the playoffs against the Jets.

I call BS. Just like Seymour wasn't going to be the difference maker in 2009. If Moss remained here Branch wouldn't have been acquired and as a decoy heading into his contract season Moss would have become a real dog faker headache on and off the field. Moss had next to nothing to do with scoring before he left. I think Belichick decided it was probably best to move on from the Moss experiment down the stretch in 2009, but he had to wait until he saw what he could get in the 2010 draft and FA and how those players would assimilate and probably how much of an underperforming headache Moss planned to be before he pulled the trigger. If not for a dropped TD pass or two and a botched fake punt and the inability to make a defensive stop after the team scored 8 to pull within 3...we probably wouldn't be having this conversation. Moss wouldn't have done anything to alter those circumstances, although Brady might have thrown more picks in the regular season that altered seeding...

 

[Deus Irae]

Youre wrong.

With Moss - 96 points div by 4 games = 24.0 ppg
Post Moss - 359 points div by 12 games = 29.9 ppg

Try taking out the INTs, KO returns and blocked punts for TDs.

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my quote: "Scoring went down .5 ppg once Moss left, and that's despite Brady playing much better after the Cleveland game."

I'm not wrong, and I'm not going to get into this very much with you. The Patriots scored

38
14
38
41

= 131

131/4= 32.75


Basic math

 

[JackBauer]

I think the Patriots seriously need to upgrade at WR, but I'm not sure Moss would have provided much this season, nor do I believe he would have made a significant difference against the Jets.

 

[Disco Volante]

Once again, why the hell is this still on the front page?