Troy Brown:Brady has "Drew Bledsoe factor"

[PatsFanSince74]

Mainly because Rex had a masterful game plan to take away Brady's strengths and exploit the sh!t out of his only weakness--inability to scramble or throw on the run. Plus we refused to counter what they were doing on D until the clock-killing drive, which ironically did us in because of poor execution and nobody being on the same page at the most critical moment.

If Brady is going to continue being a statue back there--which he will (and no, his side-stepping a rush now and then doesn't count)--we HAVE to go to a run-first offense. Sounds counterintuitive when you have TFB, but the Giants and the Jets have now shown us that it is a fact.

There is in fact a "blueprint" for counteracting Brady, and difficult as it is to execute, there will always be some defenses that have the talent to pull it off.

I think that pretty much says it. I've been arguing these last couple of weeks, as have several other stalwart Brady supporters, that the Patriots have to add a premium RB right away if Brady is to be as effective as he can be over the next few seasons. I'm not talking BJGE or Woody, as solid as they are, but rather an RB that forces other teams to gameplan around them. It all starts with signing Mankins.

 

[R_T26]

Funny how Brady has a season that people consider a top 5 season of all time. Then plays one mediocre game and all of a sudden he's Bledsoe. Give me a break. People take 1 game situations way too far. Afterbthe ATL game Esiason says Rodgers is the best qb in 30 years, then he's mediocre against Chicago. Vince Young after the Rose Bowl game was suppose to change the NFL. Things happen. Roethlisberger can move and is a goid qb...but his style also helps the Steelers miss the playoffs every other year.

 

[FCB02062]

Might have been said elsewhere in this thread, but wasn't Roethliesberger one of the most sacked quarterbacks in the league? I've criticized Brady mostly because his playoff performances have been incredibly below his regular season performances of late.

Brady is a quality, classy quarterback that has touch on the football. He's not a thrower, he's a passer. His mind is ahead of what the defense's is. If the Patriots can support him they will win the championship.

I think that sums it up

 

[BPF]

... he has a point.
Can't remember too many plays lately where Brady rolled out of the pocket to buy time.
But so long as the O-line holds ... who cares.

vs Vikings on Halloween on the Tate TD. This is a bunch of bs, Tom Brady is one of the most mobile QB's off all-time within the pocket. Regardless of how he gets it done he gets it done and does so in a big way. How many sacks did he eat this year? Year after year he is one of the least sacked QB's and to me it has to do more with him than it does the OL. He's made a lot of average pass protectors lots of money in his career.

 

[BPF]

Might have been said elsewhere in this thread, but wasn't Roethliesberger one of the most sacked quarterbacks in the league?

Exactly and was that other "athlete" at QB Vick. Each QB has their strenghts and weaknesses.

 

[Kid~Brady]

I love how one game brings this up. All the 14 games that were won, never did anyone bring this topic up. He has a bad game and now he's not a mobile Qb.

We know Brady isnt fast but he's a great pocket QB and can feel pressure like no other and escape.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

I think that pretty much says it. I've been arguing these last couple of weeks, as have several other stalwart Brady supporters, that the Patriots have to add a premium RB right away if Brady is to be as effective as he can be over the next few seasons. I'm not talking BJGE or Woody, as solid as they are, but rather an RB that forces other teams to gameplan around them. It all starts with signing Mankins.

In case you haven't noticed that's a pretty hit or miss prospect even in the first round. You say it all starts with Mankins. I say it all starts with the OL. You don't need a first round boom or bust RB if you get that right.

And FWIW in seasons when the Steelers couldn't run the ball due to injuries to their RB's and even earlier this season when the Packers couldn't mount a running game due to injuries (before their 2010 6th round RB came off PUP while their #1 went to IR), all the scramblin in the world wasn't helping Ben or Aaron win... In fact both have become somewhat injury prone as a result of their scrambling tendancies...and that tends to effect their performance and availability not only game to game but even in game... Ben's a load and fairly braindead so he can absorb more abuse. Most QB's can't. Cutler and Vick would be other examples. Cerebral pocket passers have a longer and more consistent shelf life.

 

[vyrago]

There's a common phenomenon among sports fans (and the media) to assume the most recent game is a trend and everything before that is irrelevant; power polls and weekly predictions are evidence of that.

There were only three teams that gave up fewer sacks than the Pats did in 2010.

The most recent game does not equal everything that will happen in the future.

Perfect! I was trying to compose a post that said this. I defer to your eloquence and economy.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

In case you haven't noticed that's a pretty hit or miss prospect even in the first round. You say it all starts with Mankins. I say it all starts with the OL. You don't need a first round boom or bust RB if you get that right.

And FWIW in seasons when the Steelers couldn't run the ball due to injuries to their RB's and even earlier this season when the Packers couldn't mount a running game due to injuries (before their 2010 6th round RB came off PUP while their #1 went to IR), all the scramblin in the world wasn't helping Ben or Aaron win... In fact both have become somewhat injury prone as a result of their scrambling tendancies...and that tends to effect their performance and availability not only game to game but even in game... Ben's a load and fairly braindead so he can absorb more abuse. Most QB's can't. Cutler and Vick would be other examples. Cerebral pocket passers have a longer and more consistent shelf life.

I really don't disagree with anything you say, other than that I'd put more emphasis on Mankins. I wasn't praising "scramblin" QB's, just saying that our "pocket passer" would be better off with a premier RB in the backfield with him. Finding that will be difficult and not without the risks you point out.

 

[ensoul]

What Felger said (and I agree with him) is that they are putting too much on one person (Brady) to make plays. He said that after they lost the AFC championship game to the Colts in 2006 the patriots took a "if we cannot beat them we can join them stand."meaning they are going to concentrate more on offense than defense.

Looking at the past few pats playoff games that rings true. Teams put pressure on Brady and because of that he was not able to make plays, was hurried and sacked a bunch of times. This team was at it's best when the defense was on par or better than the offense.

I hate to go back to the jets but a good example of the defense failing is on the Greene TD play. Pats get a TD, get within 3 points. Then the jets proceed to march up the field and get a TD in 4 or 5 plays. Back to a 10 point game and that was game set match. 6 years ago the pats would have made that stop.

 

[Speedy Welker]

Lets give Brady a benefits of a doubt on his fractured toe injuries which made him can't run and avoided the sack in the Jets game. Let wait until next season and you all can judge his mobility when the battle begin.

 

[neuronet]

Rex had a masterful game plan to take away Brady's strengths and exploit the sh!t out of his only weakness--inability to scramble or throw on the run. Plus we refused to counter what they were doing on D until the clock-killing drive, which ironically did us in because of poor execution and nobody being on the same page at the most critical moment.

What he said.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

I love how one game brings this up. All the 14 games that were won, never did anyone bring this topic up. He has a bad game and now he's not a mobile Qb.

We know Brady isnt fast but he's a great pocket QB and can feel pressure like no other and escape.

He's never been a "mobile QB;" he's always been a Canton-bound, Pocket QB who instinctively feels the pressure and moves around brilliantly in the pocket with just the right step to the left or right to buy the extra second or two he needs to make a play before taking the hit. It's why, with all the vitriol against the Pats, no opponent has ever confused Tom Brady with Jay Cutler and questioned his toughness.

But, we now have opponents, including a division rival, who are getting better every year and who've put together defenses that expose the one weakness of that approach. If they don't fear the run as a prime weapon, they can cover our receivers long enough for a four man rush to cause a problem, with the occasional blitz package.

And, it's not about winning 14 regular season games, it's about winning three games against the best defenses in the league when they bring their A-games.

 

[JSn]

Jaws is the only one of these analysts qualified to talk about it, imo.

 

[KoolAid]

Tom Brady is fine and I can't believe that Troy Brown makes a direct comparison of him to Bledsoe, who really was a statue. Brady can sense and elude the rush with great skill. Bledsoe tapped the ball untill four guys jumped on his back.

The problem in the Jets game is that they couldn't adjust to what the Jets were giving them. I feel that they need a bigger powerback, sign Mankins and get some fresh meat on the Oline. Get a back say in the mold of a Brandon Jacobs or Peyton Hillis to coplement Woody and BJGE. Easier said than done, but I think this should be a target.

If teams want to load the back field with DBs, the Pats need to Ram it down their throats. The RB's success this year was a direct result of taking early leads with big YAC plays and timely turnovers. They need a punishing runner that can soften up opposing defenses early and close games out late and a pass rush on defense - then the Patriots will advance and not be 1 and done again. IMHO

 

[MoLewisrocks]

What Felger said (and I agree with him) is that they are putting too much on one person (Brady) to make plays. He said that after they lost the AFC championship game to the Colts in 2006 the patriots took a "if we cannot beat them we can join them stand."meaning they are going to concentrate more on offense than defense.

Looking at the past few pats playoff games that rings true. Teams put pressure on Brady and because of that he was not able to make plays, was hurried and sacked a bunch of times. This team was at it's best when the defense was on par or better than the offense.

I hate to go back to the jets but a good example of the defense failing is on the Greene TD play. Pats get a TD, get within 3 points. Then the jets proceed to march up the field and get a TD in 4 or 5 plays. Back to a 10 point game and that was game set match. 6 years ago the pats would have made that stop.

Six years ago the defense was in it's prime and BB wasn't retooling it on the fly. Maybe he waited too long to replace some of his best veterans, but perhaps that was in part because he knew how difficult it would be to replace them even past prime. But as I recall in 2006 Felger was wailing that Brady needed better weapons on offense to keep pace with the Colts...And in 2008 he was wailing that we needed speed on defense. Thing about mediots is they are allowed to just blather and are never held accountable like HC's are...

Felger's answer to every teams shortcoming is always throw more gd money at it in FA you cheapskates, and don't draft for value, trade up for talent and screw having multiple top 100 picks when they are most valuable. He knows nothing about teambuilding for someone who alternately bemoans lack character and fit when it suits him. He's a short term, just win now frontrunner.

I ceased listening to what he had to say when he claimed in 2006 that if he were starting a team his QB of choice would be Carson Palmer...because he was a younger and more talented version of Brady... That his instincts are occasionally correct is more a blind squirrel agenda driven contrarian kind of happenstance than evidence of actual football accumen.

 

[FCB02062]

What Felger said (and I agree with him) is that they are putting too much on one person (Brady) to make plays. He said that after they lost the AFC championship game to the Colts in 2006 the patriots took a "if we cannot beat them we can join them stand."meaning they are going to concentrate more on offense than defense.

Looking at the past few pats playoff games that rings true. Teams put pressure on Brady and because of that he was not able to make plays, was hurried and sacked a bunch of times. This team was at it's best when the defense was on par or better than the offense.

I hate to go back to the jets but a good example of the defense failing is on the Greene TD play. Pats get a TD, get within 3 points. Then the jets proceed to march up the field and get a TD in 4 or 5 plays. Back to a 10 point game and that was game set match. 6 years ago the pats would have made that stop.

I think before the Green TD the Pats cut it to 7, but anyway...say it was cut to three...

Most likely it would have gone like this...Pats kickoff, give up a first down or two, then Vrabel, McGinest, Seymour, Bobby Hamilton gets a big pressure on 3rd & 8, forces a bad throw and Law or Harrison picks it off. Pats ball at their own 35. Pats dink and dunk (remember that term?) their way into field goal position and Vinatieri ties the game.
Then, the Patriots force a 3 & out, with a Ted Washington tackle for -2 on first down. Troy Brown returns the punt to the Patriots 45. With 2:30 left, Patriots need the 30 yard line for a reasonable FG attempt for Vinatieri.
First down, left side screen to Faulk picks up 15 to the NYJ 40. First down, Dillon for 4. Second down, Dillon for 3. Third and 3, play action to Fauria in the right flat for 6 - ANOTHER PATRIOT FIRST DOWN! Pats ball at NYJ 24. Couple of runs to middle of the field, Vinatieri kicks on third down, BANG, Pats take lead, 24-21. With about 0:30 left, the Pats stop a futile NYJ comeback attempt...Ah, the glory days, man...It's so hard to get to the SB, and this year we had a team that could have won it...what a letdown...

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Tom Brady is fine and I can't believe that Troy Brown makes a direct comparison of him to Bledsoe, who really was a statue. Brady can sense and elude the rush with great skill. Bledsoe tapped the ball untill four guys jumped on his back.

The problem in the Jets game is that they couldn't adjust to what the Jets were giving them. I feel that they need a bigger powerback, sign Mankins and get some fresh meat on the Oline. Get a back say in the mold of a Brandon Jacobs or Peyton Hillis to coplement Woody and BJGE. Easier said than done, but I think this should be a target.

If teams want to load the back field with DBs, the Pats need to Ram it down their throats. The RB's success this year was a direct result of taking early leads with big YAC plays and timely turnovers. They need a punishing runner that can soften up opposing defenses early and close games out late and a pass rush on defense - then the Patriots will advance and not be 1 and done again. IMHO

They need a punishing running game that can move the chains when push comes to shove, but that starts at the LOS. Even elite backs struggle to run against elite defenses unless they have an equally elite OL winning the battle in the trenches. And if rely on the eliteness of the a running back to carry you, you often end up **** out of luck due to the bust and injury rate. That said, they also need a defense that can make a stop when the season hangs in the balance.

When Pouncy went down the Steelers couldn't run the ball any more and struggled to pass the ball too. What kept them in that game was their defense. Ditto the Packers who couldn't score on offense to save their souls past the first half. Their defense let down after scoring what they assumed was the game clinching TD. But once they saw what that led to they rose back up and won the game.

 

[FCB02062]

Six years ago the defense was in it's prime and BB wasn't retooling it on the fly. Maybe he waited too long to replace some of his best veterans, but perhaps that was in part because he knew how difficult it would be to replace them even past prime. But as I recall in 2006 Felger was wailing that Brady needed better weapons on offense to keep pace with the Colts...And in 2008 he was wailing that we needed speed on defense. Thing about mediots is they are allowed to just blather and are never held accountable like HC's are...

Felger's answer to every teams shortcoming is always throw more gd money at it in FA you cheapskates, and don't draft for value, trade up for talent and screw having multiple top 100 picks when they are most valuable. He knows nothing about teambuilding for someone who alternately bemoans lack character and fit when it suits him. He's a short term, just win now frontrunner.

I ceased listening to what he had to say when he claimed in 2006 that if he were starting a team his QB of choice would be Carson Palmer...because he was a younger and more talented version of Brady... That his instincts are occasionally correct is more a blind squirrel agenda driven contrarian kind of happenstance than evidence of actual football accumen.

Outstanding! I remember the Carson Palmer stuff....also, I remember the "Eugene Wilson was EXPOSED" argument. DBag claimed, after the Pats BEAT Indianapolis no less, that Wilson was exposed by receivers down the middle. He also claimed Patriots could not win with Eugene Wilson...they won two SB with him...

 

[Marqui]

So he's the MVP, and one bad game and all of a sudden he's Drew Bledsoe 2.0?

I don't even know why I pay attention to this crap.