Can this team win a ring with Pees at coordinator?

[maverick4]

hey CB's...you LOOK WHEN THE WR LOOKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jesus just terrible

Another thing that is terrible is that whenever it's 3rd and 6, you know the corners are giving a 5 yard cushion which almost always becomes a first down... frustrating.

 

[maverick4]

Here is Dean Pees' professional history:
Dean Pees - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The guy never even coached in the pros before joining the Patriots! It's just as risky as asking a college head coach to switch to become an NFL head coach, but even more risky because Pees didn't even have great success while at the college level.

He has zero experience coaching NFL secondaries, or NFL D-lines. His expertise is apparently at linebacker, which has been a Pats weakness since he's been coordinator.

 

[Afterlifemobile-86]

Doesn't BB have a lot to say about the defensive play calling?

 

[maverick4]

Doesn't BB have a lot to say about the defensive play calling?

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...nough-credit-blame-patriots-coordinators.html

 

[IcyPatriot]

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[maverick4]

Doesn't BB have a lot to say about the defensive play calling?

Belichick doesn't call the plays. The play calls are in the style/preference of the coordinator. Belichick goes over the general game plan with his coordinators, but from multiple books he learned since his coaching days in Cleveland that he can't do it all. He doesn't micro-manage.

 

[HarkDawg]

Pee's lacks an experienced defensive unit and he has to work with young bucks learning the NFL......I do not like Pees but I cannot blame him for a consistently bad pass rush..... we are lacking defensive personnel on the line at DE.... and we are not deep w/ solid LB's who can rush the passer.


I think the problem is a lack of pressure from the defense on the opposing QB. We give good QB's like Peyton and Brees way to much time by not applying sufficient pressure. Pees or no Pees we are lacking significant components on the defense, which during our glory years was not the case b/c we had a dominant defense.



edit:- I am a Pees critic...... but a realist. He is limited due to players he does not have in his arsenal.

 

[maverick4]

It's not a personnel issue. If it were a personnel issue then the points-against ratings since 2006 wouldn't be that good. The talent is there, it's not being utilized. It appears that we don't have talent because the scheme is so laughably bad. You claim it's because we have inexperienced players, well Pees had a bunch of vets up until this year and still failed. Pees is a lifelong college guy (not even a successful college coach) and he's behind the curve when it comes to pro ball.

If you're baffled why even bad QB's can pick us apart, look at how we line up pre-snap. ANY QB can figure out clearly if we are in man, zone, blitzing, or not blitzing. We don't have any deception even in the way we line up.

The legend of the 01-04 defense is retrospective. When they were actually playing back then, Rodney came out of nowhere, Vrabel was a backup, a bunch of other guys were retreads nobody wanted (the D-line before drafting Warren, Phifer)... this team won a freaking Superbowl with Troy Brown at cornerback and Ty Law in a cast.

 

[HarkDawg]

Mav.... I hate Pees. I was just trying to be courteous. If Banta-Cain is our best pass rusher on this team (that is sad )


He is an ignorant coach when it comes to the NFL..... but we do not have a Freeney or a Mathis (type) that can cause fits for a QB. Mav, I disagree in the sense of it not being a personnel problem, but I agree with you that he is a weak D-Coordinator.

 

[maverick4]

Being a championship-caliber team in the NFL isn't about having the best talent. Talent basically wins in basketball or in baseball, but not in football.

Prior to this year Pees had both experienced players, and also good pass rushers. The result was the same, passive D in key situations and defensive meltdowns. It's the scheme and play calls that are the issue, not the players.

Right now a lot of people are sounding like Chargers fans, especially back in 06. In San Diego instead of realizing that their talent is good enough and their coaching is the problem, they keep blaming failures on talent issues or other excuses.

 

[Kdo5]

There is absolutely NO chance that we will win the Superbowl with this years team and especially its defense. Hell I can honestly only see a wildcard win for us.

We will not win against the Colts or Saints with our defense, primarily because of its coaching. They just stink it up against great QB's and offenses.

 

[IcyPatriot]

So basically if I'm to understand this thread correctly Belichick wears a headset and just listens to his coaches run the game. This thread is laughable ... really it is. Belichick could call every play the team has with his eyes closed. If the OC or DC were screwing up the game he would not just stand there and talk about the weather on his headset.

Belichick delegates authority and micro manages all in one to the point where he coaches JAG's in the basic of plays.

We have 4 losses and 2 of them were to undefeated teams ... give it a rest on the Pees and O'Brien sucks stuff. Belichick can and has taken over the play calling on both side os the ball. Tom Brady himself could call the game himself and probably calls at least 1/3 to 1/2 of the game.

There are a few teams better than us right now ... just a few ... like maybe 2 or 3 ... that's not to shabby and it's not achieved with a coaching staff that sucks. Of course there are better coaches than Pees and O'Brien ... but they are plenty good enough.

Brady / O-Line are having trouble passing without the shotgun. The secondary is a work in progress as is the entire defense. We gambled with some CB blitzes yesterday ... Brees sniffed it out and we paid the price. Take those few plays away and the game was clser than the score said it was.

 

[eagle eye]

I personally think Weis would do a better job for us than Bill O'Brien as OC.
I'm not saying that BOB is doing a bad job though and I cannot believe the amount of posts I've read which say he has to go. Its just unbelievable.

Here are some stats for our offense this year.

Scoring average: 27.9 thats 4th highest in the NFL this year
Turnovers: 13 total, thats joint 4th fewest
Receiving: 293 rec. for 3357 yards, 2nd
Rushing: 312 for 1260, 17th
Overall: 4527yards, 2nd
Passing: 96.1 rating, 8th
1st downs made: 263, 1st
3rd down conv: 44.4%, 7th
4th down conv: 53.3% 13th
Off. penalties: 59, 7th fewest
Off. pen yards: 519, 14th fewest

 

[eagle eye]

We have 4 losses and 2 of them were to undefeated teams

We have been beaten by in all four games by undefeated teams. Jets were unbeaten when they met us and so were the Broncos.

 

[IcyPatriot]

We have been beaten by in all four games by undefeated teams. Jets were unbeaten when they met us and so were the Broncos.

Yes ... at the time both those teams were playing with extreme confidence. We have not really played with extreme confidence in stretches. I hold out hope we can ... if the O-Line gets healthy. if they don't then we're in trouble. Then again so aren't all 32 teams in trouble with that problem.

 

[maverick4]

Belichick delegates authority and micro manages all in one to the point where he coaches JAG's in the basic of plays..

You clearly have read ZERO books about Belichick or the Patriots.


Him giving feedback to players during games doesn't mean he's micro managing the play calls or undermining his coordinators.

 

[maverick4]

I personally think Weis would do a better job for us than Bill O'Brien as OC.
I'm not saying that BOB is doing a bad job though and I cannot believe the amount of posts I've read which say he has to go. Its just unbelievable.

Here are some stats for our offense this year.

Scoring average: 27.9 thats 4th highest in the NFL this year
Turnovers: 13 total, thats joint 4th fewest
Receiving: 293 rec. for 3357 yards, 2nd
Rushing: 312 for 1260, 17th
Overall: 4527yards, 2nd
Passing: 96.1 rating, 8th
1st downs made: 263, 1st
3rd down conv: 44.4%, 7th
4th down conv: 53.3% 13th
Off. penalties: 59, 7th fewest
Off. pen yards: 519, 14th fewest

Of course the stat whores will take this and say O'Brien is a good coordinator, just like they did with the previous coordinator. This just goes to show that stats don't mean sh*t. You won't find more than a handful of crazies here who will say that O'Brien is good at his job.

 

[IcyPatriot]

You clearly have read ZERO books about Belichick or the Patriots.


Him giving feedback to players during games doesn't mean he's micro managing the play calls or undermining his coordinators.

Well I must have read one more than you. Because the play calling is a collective effort of the game plan constantly changing. It's not one guy reading from a sheet. Belichick says hello - stop in to see him to go over Sunday's Miami plans.

 

[maverick4]

Well I must have read one more than you. Because the play calling is a collective effort of the game plan constantly changing. It's not one guy reading from a sheet. Belichick says hello - stop in to see him to go over Sunday's Miami plans.

Belichick's involvement over the week to help game plan, doesn't mean he's a micro manager dictator over his coordinators, as you keep claiming out of your a*s. Stop pretending to have read books on the subject when a simple google search of books on Belichicks shows you don't have a clue.

 

[HarkDawg]

Being a championship-caliber team in the NFL isn't about having the best talent. Talent basically wins in basketball or in baseball, but not in football.

I would take a player at any position w/ better talent than player x who is less gifted and does not have that superior talent. Talent pertains to every athlete...... it separates the 4.3's from the 4.7's to the 5.3's.... Talent can take a wide array of forms. Do you think ppl who have great hands is just an accident???? Mav it is all about genetics.... sure these guys are all professionals... but there is a wide discrepancy of talent in the NFL...... I believe the PATS lack a great deal of superior talent on the defensive side of the football.