I think you need to read again. The first quote I was talking about art, the second I was talking about music. If music is created with zero artistic motivation, then it isn't art, so it doesn't apply to the original statement. A jingle in a t.v. commercial is "music," but it certainly isn't "art."
P.S. a qualifier does not a contradiction make.
OK, maybe I misunderstood.
So, you're saying that all forms of music aren't art? Where do you draw the line, there? How do you draw that line objectively? I think these questions I just asked are hypothetical more than anything, because I don't think there is a standard answer, no matter how educated you are. How do you dismiss all commercial jingles out of hand? I like some of them. I think some of them offer higher levels of artistic motivation than some rap music. If you can dismiss all commercial jingles objectively, why can't you dismiss other forms of music as not being "art?" Whose criteria do you apply? If you say it's all your opinion, I'd respect that. If you say that's somehow proven, I won't. Of course you will sound objective in your assessment, but it will just be what you think about it in the end...your opinion will make it true or not...to YOU.
On the other hand, you must have started from the premise that music isn't necessarily art, which I don't agree with. It's of the arts by definition. You can question the integrity of the music for sure, though. Music is a form of art. I'm not sure where you are separating these two words. If it's bad music, then it's bad art. I could take a crap on the sidewalk and call it art if I wanted to. Who would disagree?
Finally, just like you've suggested, not all forms of "music" should be respected, which I DO agree with. Which forms would that be? It would be up to the individual to decide, because I personally wouldn't trust anybody else to tell me which music is worthy of being called art...or which music is just plain worthy...or however else you want to put it.
But it seems like you'd have to listen to all commercial jingles ever made to make the wide-sweeping statement you've just made...just like anyone would have to have heard all rap to dismiss THAT as a basic legitimate artform. Luckily, we don't have to do that. We make a judgment call and live with it after hearing enough samples to satisfy ourselves. Isn't that a little what it's like.
I'd probably put a few rap songs into the "worthy" category along with a few commercial jingles.
In the end, to tell you the truth, I don't really give a ****. If I don't like it, I think it sucks. I don't have to respect it in the name of some people that wear their collars too tight. That's life.