Reiss seems high on Edelman

[Jackson 2]

Re: B

Read Christopher Price's Thursday report. He's high on the Big E as well.

There's a flip side to the phenomenon whereby people jump on the bandwagon of unproven rookies. It involves the necessity to denigrate the skills of unproven rookies and dismiss their chances of ever making it. Both positions are faulty. As with most things, the eventual truth lies somewhare in-between. How's that for fence-sitting?

 

[captain stone]

Are you saying then Aiken is battling Lewis for #4? That could be a possibility.
Bill threw away a 5th-rounder for Lewis, who I believe would've been released by Philly after their draft picks started signing. He better be the entrenched #4, otherwise that trade (and the Ellis Hobbs giveaway) will look even worse than it already does. Fatso Reid is having a good laugh at our expense. But I digress.

Tate potentially going onto PUP and/or IR would open a spot for Edelman.
Eggs-actly, Batman. If Tate were able to open the season on the 53, then I doubt that Bill would keep Edelman, who possesses a similar skill set, on the 53 also. The WRs would likely be: Moss, Welker, Galloway, Lewis, Aiken & Tate. Bill would then try to sneak Edelman to the PS.

I'd love to keep Edelman; pre-draft I advocated drafting and retaining 2 young wideouts, and I maintain that would be a wise move.
I completely agree. We need to find our next Deion Branch & David Givens, who were drafted 7(!) years ago, with nothing but the refuse of Bethel Johnson, PK Sam, Chad Jackson & Matt Slater btwn. then and now.

Now, if that WR can also contribute on ST and be an emergency #3 QB, even better.

And also give us a legit Wildcat option, even better still.

 

[Urgent]

the only one that matters is if belichick is high on him, who the hell is reiss, hes a good reporter, give me a break!!

This looks like a job for Obvious Man!
Bup-ba BAH!

 

[Urgent]

It's not inconceivable that, if Edelman makes the team, that the Patriots would go with two QB's. It's not likely at all, but it is possible.

In 2006, the Patriots started the season with Brady plus second-year Cassel (adding Testaverde later in the year, I believe).
I think under Parcells the Pats had two QB's plus Tupa.
In 1999, it was two with Bledsoe and Friesz.
There is definitely a precedent for a two-QB roster.

If Edelman has a tremendous camp and earns a spot on the team as a receiver or primary kick returner, there's a possibility that the Pats could go with two QB's and Edelman as the emergency QB, opening up an extra roster spot.

 

[DaBruinz]

Bill threw away a 5th-rounder for Lewis, who I believe would've been released by Philly after their draft picks started signing. He better be the entrenched #4, otherwise that trade (and the Ellis Hobbs giveaway) will look even worse than it already does. Fatso Reid is having a good laugh at our expense. But I digress.

What is your belief based on? Jojo the monkey boy defecating on a newspaper?

How did they "give Ellis Hobbs away"? They got 2-5th round picks for him. You have to remember that he is a free agent at the end of the year so there is a good chance he's only a 1 year rental for Philly.

As for Lewis, he's in the same place Doug Gabriel was. Greg Lewis was probably better than any other 5th round pick that was available at the time. But he's got to be more than a receiver to make this team. He's gonna need to be a gunner or play on the coverage teams to make it.

Tate potentially going onto PUP and/or IR would open a spot for Edelman.
Eggs-actly, Batman. If Tate were able to open the season on the 53, then I doubt that Bill would keep Edelman, who possesses a similar skill set, on the 53 also. The WRs would likely be: Moss, Welker, Galloway, Lewis, Aiken & Tate. Bill would then try to sneak Edelman to the PS.

Edelman's and Tate's skill sets are different. Edelman is much more of a quick twitch guy in the mold of Welker while Tate is more of a speed guy like Josh Cribbs.

I'd love to keep Edelman; pre-draft I advocated drafting and retaining 2 young wideouts, and I maintain that would be a wise move.
I completely agree. We need to find our next Deion Branch & David Givens, who were drafted 7(!) years ago, with nothing but the refuse of Bethel Johnson, PK Sam, Chad Jackson & Matt Slater btwn. then and now.

Now, if that WR can also contribute on ST and be an emergency #3 QB, even better.And also give us a legit Wildcat option, even better still.

The Patriots have used draft picks to add receivers. Welker, Moss, Gabriel and Lewis. Also, Slater wasn't drafted as a WR. He was drafted as a special teamer, much like Willie Andrews.

Would I have liked it if the Pats picks had turned out better? Yep. But that doesn't mean that its going to happen. You can look at stuff in hindsight, but that doesn't mean you are going to get things right going forward. The draft is a crap shoot. The GM, Scouts, and HC try to get the best players they can at the positions they are available. Sometimes those players work out great. Other times, they are busts. All we can do, as fans, is remember that they spend hundreds of man hours scouting players and have access to significantly more information than we do. And its with that information that they make their decisions on. Its no different than the hiring process in the real world. Sometimes you hire studs. Other times you hire duds. I think that Belichick's track record at drafting is pretty good. Would you care to show everyone YOUR track record at drafting?

 

[Warren94]

Everyone has their binky in the pre-draft and after the draft when free agents are conducted. They sometimes pan out they sometimes don't. Comparing Edelman with Wes Welker or any pro-bowl player is crazy without the guys being in pads and having actual contact. Like one of the other posters stated, Not much is going to be conducted until pads are on and guys are hitting each other. Then you can start grading them.

 

[pats63]

Pats are in a good postion.Slater better watch out,Edelman on his back

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Re: B

There's a flip side to the phenomenon whereby people jump on the bandwagon of unproven rookies. It involves the necessity to denigrate the skills of unproven rookies and dismiss their chances of ever making it. Both positions are faulty. As with most things, the eventual truth lies somewhare in-between. How's that for fence-sitting?

The fun of training camp is when I attend and fall in love (in a manly man way of course) with rookie binkies. Bummer when they get cut though.

 

[DaBruinz]

Everyone has their binky in the pre-draft and after the draft when free agents are conducted. They sometimes pan out they sometimes don't. Comparing Edelman with Wes Welker or any pro-bowl player is crazy without the guys being in pads and having actual contact. Like one of the other posters stated, Not much is going to be conducted until pads are on and guys are hitting each other. Then you can start grading them.

Too bad NO ONE has compared Edelman to Welker other than to say that Welker was a long shot as a rookie (myself) and that the ceiling for Edelman could be that of a Wes Welker like slot receiver. If you're saying we're crazy for that, then you are the one with a few screws loose.

BTW, Patrick Pass says HI and wants to know why he was cut since "not much is going to be conducted until pads are on and the guys are hitting each other."

 

[Warren94]

Yeah because a guy who is been out of the league 3yrs and was called "soft" in Patriot Reign is going to stick with the team...

You can't judge much during OTA's and minicamp..

Again you attack people based on opinion...

 

[JFK]

I see the Pats going with two QBs (O'Connel and Brady) and five WRs (Moss, Galloway, Welker, AIkens & Tate)
Edelman would likely make the team since he is depth at WR and QB. Makes the Pats a WILDCAT threat too.

Guitierrez, Lewis and Slater wouldn't make this team.

 

[MetalBleachers]

What is your belief based on? Jojo the monkey boy defecating on a newspaper?

Funny, that's how I frame all my beliefs.

 

[MetalBleachers]

I see the Pats going with two QBs (O'Connel and Brady) and five WRs (Moss, Galloway, Welker, AIkens & Tate)
Edelman would likely make the team since he is depth at WR and QB. Makes the Pats a WILDCAT threat too.

Guitierrez, Lewis and Slater wouldn't make this team.

I can understand your fears about Lewis, but Tate's going to PUP (at least; maybe IR). Six WRs: M, W, JG, Lewis, Aikens, Edelman. Slater makes team as ST/safety.

 

[Jackson 2]

Re: B

The fun of training camp is when I attend and fall in love (in a manly man way of course) with rookie binkies. Bummer when they get cut though.

I know. I usually manage to stay relatively even-keeled about the new guys until I go to camp in person and watch for a couple of hours. I walk away positive that player X (and likely Y and Z, also) will beat out a vet for a spot on the final 53. Yeah, sure...although sometimes it does happen (blind luck on my part).

 

[PatsCanDoIt]

The best thing about Edelman is that he doen't fit the mold other teams have for WR. IOW, he is likely to make the practice squad if cut. The PS is mainly to prepare the active players for games. It's in the name. Therefore, Edelman will help the active players prepare. The practice squad is his destiny.

 

[RayClay]

Coaches love QBs. If they're comfortable with O'connel, that would save us a roster spot and cover the emergency QB situation. If he can contribute on teams, I think he might out versatile somebody.

 

[DaBruinz]

Yeah because a guy who is been out of the league 3yrs and was called "soft" in Patriot Reign is going to stick with the team...

You can't judge much during OTA's and minicamp..

Again you attack people based on opinion...

I didn't attack you. If you think so, then you have some serious issues and need to leave the boards.

Pass was only out of football for a year and a half missing only the 2008 season. Not 3 years.

 

[spacecrime]

Comparing Edelman with Wes Welker or any pro-bowl player is crazy without the guys being in pads and having actual contact.

Why? Nothing wrong with speculation. You and the other guy just need to chill out and let people have their thoghts and opinions. Maybe he will be the next Wleker. Maybe someone can see something you can't. Maybe not, but there is nothing wrong with someone saying the looks like the next Welker.

I didn't attack you. If you think so, then you have some serious issues and need to leave the boards.

Interesteing combination of thoughts. Just saying ...

 

[VJCPatriot]

Re: B

Reported today in Reiss, Edelman running the Wildcat and passing.

Though Edelman doesn't do any one thing all that well, he could do enough things well enough to make the team. PS at the very least.

Wildcat. Yup Edelman just screams Wildcat. If nothing else he will make a good scout player against the wildcat teams, mainly the Phins at the moment but it's a copycat league so who knows how useful that will turn out to be?

 

[Dragda]

Re: B

I know. I usually manage to stay relatively even-keeled about the new guys until I go to camp in person and watch for a couple of hours. I walk away positive that player X (and likely Y and Z, also) will beat out a vet for a spot on the final 53. Yeah, sure...although sometimes it does happen (blind luck on my part).

I walked away from last year's camp amazed at Hobbs ability in man coverage. He was on whoever was out there like glue every time.