This game will make or break Tom Brady's legacy - Page 3 - New England Patriots Forums

robbomango · 01-25-2012, 03:20 PM

Sorry, you lost me at Leg

Ice_Ice_Brady · 01-25-2012, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul_Newman

He'll always be seen as one of the best ever. Nothing is going to change that. But right now, he has a chance to be seen as the BEST ever.

If he wins this game, no one can disclaim that he's not the best ever.

But losing to the same QB twice in the SB? I'm not saying its fair, because I think football is a team game. Brady did NOT lose to Eli in '07, but that's the perception people have about it either way.

Michael Jordan is undoubtedly the greatest of all-time for a reason. He leaves very little, to no doubt left at all. Brady has this chance is what I'm saying.

No one can ever bring up the fact he lost to Eli again, if he beats him.

If Brady loses he might not be knows as the best QB ever, but the New England fan base will always embrace him and he's the best player in team history.

If Eli loses, the NY fanbase will call for his head for 5000th time in his career, deriding him for being inconsistent and forever lamenting the fact he isn't Peyton.

The only difference is, Eli doesn't even realize it yet. When you're on top, everything is good. Wait and see his legacy after this one. People will kick themselves for all of the superlatives they threw at a slightly above average quarterback who has done relatively little with all the talent around him.

midpack · 01-25-2012, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul_Newman

Do you guys seriously not think Brady realizes this? He's calling his QB guru? Brady understands this better than any of us.

Do you really think he's worrying about his legacy right now?!?!?

I'm pretty sure he just wants to win for winning!

Paul_Newman · 01-25-2012, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ice_Ice_Brady

If Brady loses he might not be knows as the best QB ever, but the New England fan base will always embrace him and he's the best player in team history.

If Eli loses, the NY fanbase will call for his head for 5000th time in his career, deriding him for being inconsistent and forever lamenting the fact he isn't Peyton.

The only difference is, Eli doesn't even realize it yet. When you're on top, everything is good. Wait and see his legacy after this one. People will kick themselves for all of the superlatives they threw at a slightly above average quarterback who has done relatively little with all the talent around him.

That's fine. I don't think anyone should dare throw Brady under the bus if he doesn't win.

That would be nuts. Brady is a great player. Nothing changes that. But we all know perception in sports can out due reality is what I'm saying. Montana's 4 SBs are largely why he's viewed as the best of all-time, and the fact he did it in dramatic fashion.

I feel for Tom, because it is a lot of pressure on him to get this done.

And to someone above, did I not football was the ultimate "team" game? I never thought Brady lost the '07 SB. Just like I didn't think he won them their three by himself.

vuudu · 01-25-2012, 03:24 PM

voted already, too absurd to waste grey matter on.

RodThePat · 01-25-2012, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGodInAGreyHoodie

True.

Win or lose. Brady stays in the top 10 of QBs. And ahead of Bradshaw.

Brady wins and gets the MVP you can debate Brady vs. Montana. NYG win you can't debate Montana vs. Brady.

Of course you can debate Montana vs. Brady even if he doesn't win. Those 49ers teams were Pro-Bowl rosters; winning three championships in the free agency era is arguably more difficult than winning four when Montana played.

Paul_Newman · 01-25-2012, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by midpack

Do you really think he's worrying about his legacy right now?!?!?

I'm pretty sure he just wants to win for winning!

Of course he's worried about his legacy. And of course he wants to win. Why can't it be both?

Do you really believe great players truly don't care where they're viewed as one of the all-time greats?

I'm sure Brady would never admit it, but I highly doubt it he doesn't care.

If Brady was just happy about winning, he wouldn't have been so "upset" over his performance. Tom is a perfectionist. He's a competitive person by nature.

He wants to win in every way. I applaud him for that.

PatsBoy12 · 01-25-2012, 03:30 PM

Who cares? He'll still go to the Hall and be considered one of the greatest ever. Heck, the fact that he was one of the people to break Marino's record is already being trivialized to some degree by the people who say that it's because the league is geared toward the passing game. Whether that's true or not, my point is you're going to have people who find a way to diminish what someone else has accomplished to some degree, no matter who the person may be. Even if Tom wins this SB, there are still going to be people who try to discredit his accomplishment in some way.

TheGodInAGreyHoodie · 01-25-2012, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RodThePat

Of course you can debate Montana vs. Brady even if he doesn't win.

Maybe YOU can. YOU can also debate that the world is flat if you want.

So let me rephrase that.....

If Pats loses, you won't be able to debate Brady over Montana without everyone laughing at you.

tuckeverlasting · 01-25-2012, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob0729

Yes, because losing three of five Super Bowls has tarnished Elway's legacy.

In a ten year career (he missed a year due to injuries or it would be 11 years), Brady has been been to six Championship games and five Super Bowls. He holds multiple records including the season TD record. He has two league MVPs and two Super Bowl MVPs. And he did all this in an era where dynasties are NOT supposed to happen.

Brady is and will forever will be in the discussion for best QB in league history. What happens on the 5th of February will not change that. A win will add far more weight to the argument that he is the best of all time.

Besides, even if he loses this Super Bowl doesn't mean that he won't win one, two, or three more Super Bowls before he retires. If he goes to one more Super Bowl after this year, he will have gone to more Super Bowls than any QB (he is currently tied with Elway for the most at 5).

there. fixed.