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Old 01-15-2012, 12:10 PM   #1
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Default Semi OT: Pioli's Paranoia? (merged X2)

I always thought Scott made a huge mistake in hiring that self absorbed little egomaniac golfer Haley as his first HC'ing decision. I had no idea how badly he screwed up. Worst possible hire for a GM being brought in to change a culture of entitlement that permeated from the deepest recesses of that organization to the know it all insider mediots who covered them.

Long and twisted but interesting read. Apparently Haley thought he was being bugged... I really hope the JETS hire this unaccountable clown. I'd love to watch him further destroy any chemistry or accountability those knuckleheads might have delusions about developing in the swamp.

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Default Re: Semi OT: Paranoia runs deep and apparently parallel to lack of accountability

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I always thought Scott made a huge mistake in hiring that self absorbed little egomaniac golfer Haley as his first HC'ing decision. I had no idea how badly he screwed up. Worst possible hire for a GM being brought in to change a culture of entitlement that permeated from the deepest recesses of that organization to the know it all insider mediots who covered them.

Long and twisted but interesting read. Apparently Haley thought he was being bugged... I really hope the JETS hire this unaccountable clown. I'd love to watch him further destroy any chemistry or accountability those knuckleheads might have delusions about developing in the swamp.

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What's funny is Green Beans fans hoping Haley is brought in to instill discipline as Wrecks' "bad cop" designated enforcer.
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I always thought Scott made a huge mistake in hiring that self absorbed little egomaniac golfer Haley as his first HC'ing decision. I had no idea how badly he screwed up. Worst possible hire for a GM being brought in to change a culture of entitlement that permeated from the deepest recesses of that organization to the know it all insider mediots who covered them.

Long and twisted but interesting read. Apparently Haley thought he was being bugged... I really hope the JETS hire this unaccountable clown. I'd love to watch him further destroy any chemistry or accountability those knuckleheads might have delusions about developing in the swamp.

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Hard to determine how valid the article is, but it makes Pioli sound worse than Haley. In fact, it gives a lot of examples of other employees supporting the belief that Haley should have been paranoid. Take it for what its worth. There is a fine line between a disciplined management style and a micromanaging style that sacrifices the big picture to control the minutiae, and you simply can't tell from this article where that line is in KC, but there is more in the article the way it is written to say Pioli is the problem than Haley is.
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Hard to determine how valid the article is, but it makes Pioli sound worse than Haley. In fact, it gives a lot of examples of other employees supporting the belief that Haley should have been paranoid. Take it for what its worth. There is a fine line between a disciplined management style and a micromanaging style that sacrifices the big picture to control the minutiae, and you simply can't tell from this article where that line is in KC, but there is more in the article the way it is written to say Pioli is the problem than Haley is.
I disagree. I think it speaks volumes about an inefficient organization being forced to change, and the usual resistance that goes with these types of cultural changes. Pioli even outright asked ownership about the potential organizational dysfunction before taking the job.

In the War Room, they talk about Chiefs scouts replying to emails in meetings and laughing at silly photos during film sessions. To go from that to the ideal Patriots level is several leaps, and it's no surprise there is severe resistance. Lots of people in the organization are basically being told they're ineffective, useless, or have to change the way they do pretty much everything.

I'm not concerned what the Todd Haleys of the world think about the way we do business. They can point their finger at others when they're embarrassed, they can make up ridiculous rumours if it makes them feel better. We won't be attractive to every single player in the league. But the ones who come here, the ones who want to get better and be the best, appreciate those things. The slackers and losers won't and don't. I don't give a crap what they think.
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Hard to determine how valid the article is, but it makes Pioli sound worse than Haley. In fact, it gives a lot of examples of other employees supporting the belief that Haley should have been paranoid. Take it for what its worth. There is a fine line between a disciplined management style and a micromanaging style that sacrifices the big picture to control the minutiae, and you simply can't tell from this article where that line is in KC, but there is more in the article the way it is written to say Pioli is the problem than Haley is.
There are plenty of quotes defending the new regime as well.

And if I got fired for being lazy or a weak link, I'm sure I'd be bitter, also.

It's a multi-million dollar business. Why shouldn't people be accountable for everything? Most people have worked in places with longtime employees who don't give a **** or put in any effort, because they know they'll probably never get fired.

I don't care either way, really, but the article didn't really sway my opinion about anyone involved. I already believed Haley was nuts, and Pioli controlling and detail-oriented.
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Hard to determine how valid the article is, but it makes Pioli sound worse than Haley. In fact, it gives a lot of examples of other employees supporting the belief that Haley should have been paranoid. Take it for what its worth. There is a fine line between a disciplined management style and a micromanaging style that sacrifices the big picture to control the minutiae, and you simply can't tell from this article where that line is in KC, but there is more in the article the way it is written to say Pioli is the problem than Haley is.
You can't be that gullible after all these years... This is the article Borges has been waiting to write about Bill for 12 years, like the precursor his boys Hobson and Mannix took a preview whack at based on all the credible insight they had received courtesy of their Cleveland brethran and their sources the moment he was hired. Disgruntled former employees are generally entitled lackeys who couldn't cut it in a results driven enterprise.
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There are plenty of quotes defending the new regime as well.

And if I got fired for being lazy or a weak link, I'm sure I'd be bitter, also.

It's a multi-million dollar business. Why shouldn't people be accountable for everything? Most people have worked in places with longtime employees who don't give a **** or put in any effort, because they know they'll probably never get fired.

I don't care either way, really, but the article didn't really sway my opinion about anyone involved. I already believed Haley was nuts, and Pioli controlling and detail-oriented.
I was commenting on the article and qualified that I questioned its validity.
I fully understand accountablity and ridding an organization of the wrong attitudes.
That said, unless, like you, you go into the article with a preconceived notion, it paints a worse picture of Pioli than Haley.
Its only description of Haley is that he felt he was being monitored and it went on the back up the concern with numerous examples of other employees who felt that way.
As far as Pioli it gave a number of examples that imply he may be more caught up in micromanaging small details than addressing the big picture.
Whehter the article and its criticisms have any validity is another debate, but there is no question the article itself is more damning of Pioli than Haley.
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You can't be that gullible after all these years... This is the article Borges has been waiting to write about Bill for 12 years, like the precursor his boys Hobson and Mannix took a preview whack at based on all the credible insight they had received courtesy of their Cleveland brethran and their sources the moment he was hired. Disgruntled former employees are generally entitled lackeys who couldn't cut it in a results driven enterprise.
I am commenting on the article, not the management style.
From your post I was expecting an article that slammed Haley, and I found one that was not very complementary of Pioli.
How is it gullible to state what the article says?

If you think it was written to support Pioli, right back at you on the gullibility

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I disagree. I think it speaks volumes about an inefficient organization being forced to change, and the usual resistance that goes with these types of cultural changes. Pioli even outright asked ownership about the potential organizational dysfunction before taking the job.

In the War Room, they talk about Chiefs scouts replying to emails in meetings and laughing at silly photos during film sessions. To go from that to the ideal Patriots level is several leaps, and it's no surprise there is severe resistance. Lots of people in the organization are basically being told they're ineffective, useless, or have to change the way they do pretty much everything.

I'm not concerned what the Todd Haleys of the world think about the way we do business. They can point their finger at others when they're embarrassed, they can make up ridiculous rumours if it makes them feel better. We won't be attractive to every single player in the league. But the ones who come here, the ones who want to get better and be the best, appreciate those things. The slackers and losers won't and don't. I don't give a crap what they think.
Who is we?
None of the things you listed are in the article. I was commenting on what light the article puts Haley and Pioli in. I don't know how you could perceive this article as pro-Pioli
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I'm basing this on more than just the article itself, but I see you're talking specifically about that article. But for what it's worth, it's basically a hack job and I don't think anyone could put any value into any of it.
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