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Cartwright · 10-28-2009, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by KontradictioN

Denver FTW. Do you honestly believe the Colts have a harder schedule than the Pats do? Take all the teams you play against, add up the current wins and losses, and then do the same for the Pats. The Pats pretty clearly have the harder SOS. The hardest team you've played against so far is Arizona, a team that would get beat by any of Baltimore (who nearly took out undefeated Minnesota... in Minny), Atlanta (who is a pretty good team), and Denver (who is 6-0).

By the way, you guys should have lost to Miami. You got lucky that their secondary is the closest thing to a strainer and allowed you 20 points in a shade over one quarter of play.

And, by the way, that doesn't say anything about how good the Colts are. It says everything about just how BAD Miami's secondary is.

So the Colts should be 5-1, and the Pats 4-3. Fine with me.
The thing that is odd is you like to bring up history when it suits your point, but totally disregard it when speaking of the Colts. These guys have proven their mettle year in and year out. Beat an undefeated Bronco team a few years ago in a raucus mile high. Last season, @ Pitt, then 2 weeks later @ SD, more impressive than a team walking into Mile High and beating a somewhat over rated Donks team, that 's for sure.

The thing that many Pats fans don't seem to get is that INDY has actually IMPROVED their roster over last season.
Lilja is back, Johnson is settling in nicely at LT. The young receivers have made up for any perceived deficiency at WR, the DT position is much more stout. Freeney is further removed from Lis Franc, and the secondary is very deep. LB'er is probably the weakest spot. But regardless, they have IMPROVED, not regressed, like any Pats fan would hope for.

BostonRedskin · 10-29-2009, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Cartwright

Found this on a Colts board...thought it was interesting:

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"It's funny....according to Pats fans , we haven't played anybody , therefor they are better than the Colts. FTR- Pats have beaten Buffalo at home, Balt at home, Atlanta at home, Tenn at home and Tampa in London and lost to a solid Denver team and average Jets team.

While i agree , the Colts need to be tested more(Arizona seems to be very good team and we crushed them on their field in primetime) ,there is no way based on the Pats schedule that they have any room to talk about not beating anybody. Not to mention, they haven't won on the road yet.

I dont see why this Colts fan should be knocking who the Patriots have played. The Patriots might have got lucky week 1 but that still doesnt take away from the fact that they beat a division rival with a insane comeback. No game week 1 is a gimme. The Pats lost in NY to the Jets week 2. It was a tough game against a pretty good team and another rival. That said Wes Welker didnt play. Welker hurt was a big blow for the Patriots in that game.

Next the Pats put up back to back wins vs probable playoff teams Atlanta and Baltimore. At the time the Falcons were 2-0 and the Ravens were 3-0. Then the Pats lose a close one in Denver (a hard place for any team to play) to a team that has shocked the NFL (and me) and look like a Super Bowl contender.

Finally the Pats won their last 2 games. The first vs the Titans. They havent won a game but they have played well in most of their games. The Pats won 59-0. Anytime you beat a team 59-0 its impressive. In their last game NE goes overseas and spanks a bad Buc team 35-7.

Bottom line the only team imo that was a easy win was the Bucs. When you look at the Colts yes they do have top talent. At the sametime its easy to see their schedule has been weak. The only team the Colts have played that might be a possible playoff team is the Cardinals.

Pats - Jets, Falcons, Ravens, Broncos
Colts - Cardinals

We will find out who really is better week 10. I cant wait.

The key might come down to who is the more battle tested team. So far that is easily New England.

workhorse · 10-29-2009, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by KontradictioN

Denver FTW. Do you honestly believe the Colts have a harder schedule than the Pats do? Take all the teams you play against, add up the current wins and losses, and then do the same for the Pats. The Pats pretty clearly have the harder SOS. The hardest team you've played against so far is Arizona, a team that would get beat by any of Baltimore (who nearly took out undefeated Minnesota... in Minny), Atlanta (who is a pretty good team), and Denver (who is 6-0).

By the way, you guys should have lost to Miami. You got lucky that their secondary is the closest thing to a strainer and allowed you 20 points in a shade over one quarter of play.

And, by the way, that doesn't say anything about how good the Colts are. It says everything about just how BAD Miami's secondary is.

I didn't say the Colts had a harder schedule, but the Patriots haven't beat anyone tougher than those on the Colts schedule.

Man don't give me that crap about Miami. The Colts offense was on fire most of the night. Regardless of how good or bad a defense is, the offense still has to execute. If that would have been the Patriots winning instead of the Colts, you would be talking about how precise and efficient the offense was. But since it was that Colts, it was just Miami being bad.

Arizona just went into Giants stadium and played pretty damn well. Miami was whooping up on the Saints until they fell apart in the 4th.

***KontradictioN*** · 10-29-2009, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Cartwright

So the Colts should be 5-1, and the Pats 4-3. Fine with me.
The thing that is odd is you like to bring up history when it suits your point, but totally disregard it when speaking of the Colts. These guys have proven their mettle year in and year out. Beat an undefeated Bronco team a few years ago in a raucus mile high. Last season, @ Pitt, then 2 weeks later @ SD, more impressive than a team walking into Mile High and beating a somewhat over rated Donks team, that 's for sure.

First of all, your own fellow Colts fan has been kind enough to remind us that last year doesn't matter. So what is the point of bringing up the 2008 Colts beating Pitt and a very overrated San Diego team within two weeks of each other? If you get to talk about that, do I get to talk about how the Pats had the Colts dead to rights, WITH A BACK-UP QB THAT HADN'T PLAYED SINCE HIGH SCHOOL, until a brainfart penalty by a guy who is no longer on the team? Didn't think so.

Second, it makes me

that you consider the Broncos overrated. Their defense speaks for itself. Just wait until they roll into Indy (oh yeah, that's right, Indy is playing the majority of their tough teams, however few that may be, at home this season) and show you that defense. I thought they were overrated too until the Pats played them. On top of that defense, you have a Josh McDaniels Patriot-esque attack that you guys have traditionally had trouble stopping. Regardless of whether or not you guys win that game (which I don't think you will), please feel free to come back and tell us all how overrated they were. If they are so overrated, then you guys shouldn't have any trouble blowing them out right?

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The thing that many Pats fans don't seem to get is that INDY has actually IMPROVED their roster over last season.
Lilja is back, Johnson is settling in nicely at LT. The young receivers have made up for any perceived deficiency at WR, the DT position is much more stout. Freeney is further removed from Lis Franc, and the secondary is very deep. LB'er is probably the weakest spot. But regardless, they have IMPROVED, not regressed, like any Pats fan would hope for.

They have definitely improved at WR. Garcon is good and so is the other rookie that they have. However, I wouldn't get too excited about your defense. The highest ranked offense that you guys have faced is ranked 11th, and that is the Jacksonville Jaguars. The second highest after that is the Dolphins and Cardinals, sitting at 15th and 18th respectively. The Dolphins are there because of their run offense which, once again, shredded your defense as bad as anything I've ever seen. The Cardinals are there because of what they have done lately compared with who they have faced as well. Compare that to the Pats who have faced offenses ranked #5 (Ravens), #9 (Broncos), and #16 (Jets). Not to mention that, within the next month or so, we will be facing the #4 ranked offense (Indy) and then the #1 ranked offense (New Orleans) within two weeks of each other. And please take notes, Cartwright, that is THIS year.

***KontradictioN*** · 10-29-2009, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by workhorse

I didn't say the Colts had a harder schedule, but the Patriots haven't beat anyone tougher than those on the Colts schedule.

Read my last post to Cartwright. It is pretty obvious that we have beaten people tougher than those on your schedule. But keep pretending if it makes you happy. Oh, and by the way, you guys keep pointing to Tennessee and Tampa Bay to make your point about how our schedule isn't that much tougher than your's is. Well chew on this: you guys played the Titans, then came out of your bye and played the Rams. Two 0-fer teams as well. Personally, I think the Bucs would beat the Rams if they played, but that's just me. Face it, your schedule outside of a couple of games (one of them being against us) is VERY weak.

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Man don't give me that crap about Miami. The Colts offense was on fire most of the night. Regardless of how good or bad a defense is, the offense still has to execute. If that would have been the Patriots winning instead of the Colts, you would be talking about how precise and efficient the offense was. But since it was that Colts, it was just Miami being bad.

You seem to have trouble comprehending that the Colts offense was only on fire because of the defense you guys faced. Miami has the 19th ranked pass defense having allowed well over 1,000 yards already this season. They are awful. And when the Patriots beat the Dolphins, I'll temper my enthusiasm just as much as I did the past couple of weeks. And when you draw a comparison like "but since it was the Colts, it was just Miami being bad", you seem to forget that Miami is a hated division rival and you guys are not... anymore, anyway.

By the way, here is the statistical links that I have been using. They might help you guys out: NFL Stats: Team

Cartwright · 10-29-2009, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by KontradictioN

Read my last post to Cartwright. It is pretty obvious that we have beaten people tougher than those on your schedule. But keep pretending if it makes you happy. Oh, and by the way, you guys keep pointing to Tennessee and Tampa Bay to make your point about how our schedule isn't that much tougher than your's is. Well chew on this: you guys played the Titans, then came out of your bye and played the Rams. Two 0-fer teams as well. Personally, I think the Bucs would beat the Rams if they played, but that's just me. Face it, your schedule outside of a couple of games (one of them being against us) is VERY weak.

You seem to have trouble comprehending that the Colts offense was only on fire because of the defense you guys faced. Miami has the 19th ranked pass defense having allowed well over 1,000 yards already this season. They are awful. And when the Patriots beat the Dolphins, I'll temper my enthusiasm just as much as I did the past couple of weeks. And when you draw a comparison like "but since it was the Colts, it was just Miami being bad", you seem to forget that Miami is a hated division rival and you guys are not... anymore, anyway.

By the way, here is the statistical links that I have been using. They might help you guys out: NFL Stats: Team

it would be interesting to see what you had to say a few years ago when the Pats were crushing all their weak opponents, starting with their own weak Division. Or last year, about your monumentally weak schedule. I agree, our schedule has been soft so far. I do think team like Jags, Phins, amd Cardinals are quality wins...oh, BTW, tell me the last time you guys went TO Miami in September?

Bottom line is, our SOS doesn't matter, 6 straight years of 12 wins...they have proven their mettle...now...if they can just do it again in the postseason

Cartwright · 10-29-2009, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by KontradictioN

First of all, your own fellow Colts fan has been kind enough to remind us that last year doesn't matter. So what is the point of bringing up the 2008 Colts beating Pitt and a very overrated San Diego team within two weeks of each other? If you get to talk about that, do I get to talk about how the Pats had the Colts dead to rights, WITH A BACK-UP QB THAT HADN'T PLAYED SINCE HIGH SCHOOL, until a brainfart penalty by a guy who is no longer on the team? Didn't think so.

Second, it makes me

that you consider the Broncos overrated. Their defense speaks for itself. Just wait until they roll into Indy (oh yeah, that's right, Indy is playing the majority of their tough teams, however few that may be, at home this season) and show you that defense. I thought they were overrated too until the Pats played them. On top of that defense, you have a Josh McDaniels Patriot-esque attack that you guys have traditionally had trouble stopping. Regardless of whether or not you guys win that game (which I don't think you will), please feel free to come back and tell us all how overrated they were. If they are so overrated, then you guys shouldn't have any trouble blowing them out right?

They have definitely improved at WR. Garcon is good and so is the other rookie that they have. However, I wouldn't get too excited about your defense. The highest ranked offense that you guys have faced is ranked 11th, and that is the Jacksonville Jaguars. The second highest after that is the Dolphins and Cardinals, sitting at 15th and 18th respectively. The Dolphins are there because of their run offense which, once again, shredded your defense as bad as anything I've ever seen. The Cardinals are there because of what they have done lately compared with who they have faced as well. Compare that to the Pats who have faced offenses ranked #5 (Ravens), #9 (Broncos), and #16 (Jets). Not to mention that, within the next month or so, we will be facing the #4 ranked offense (Indy) and then the #1 ranked offense (New Orleans) within two weeks of each other. And please take notes, Cartwright, that is THIS year.

Denver? Blow them out? I don't know...but again, Bengals (lucky win), Browns, Raiders and Boys aren't necessarily what I would base my argument on.

BostonRedskin · 10-29-2009, 01:17 PM

I thought the Broncos sucked before the season, then I thought they were overrated, now I have to admit they are contenders.

Wins at Bengals, vs Cowboys, vs Patriots, and at Chargers show me they are the real deal.

After that Charger game I dont see how anyone can say the Broncos are still overrated sitting at 6-0.

Cartwright · 10-29-2009, 01:25 PM

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I thought the Broncos sucked before the season, then I thought they were overrated, now I have to admit they are contenders.

Wins at Bengals, vs Cowboys, vs Patriots, and at Chargers show me they are the real deal.

After that Charger game I dont see how anyone can say the Broncos are still overrated sitting at 6-0.

So all the sudden the Bengals Boys and Chargers are world beaters, really?? Chargers still have some in the tank on offense with Jackson and Rivers, but the Center and the Nose tackle, along with Merriman have them regressing. And although I think Norv is a good O Coordinator, you can tell he is starting to slip...just like Switzer when he took over JJ's job. Wade Phillips? Romo? Nah.

BostonRedskin · 10-29-2009, 01:33 PM

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So all the sudden the Bengals Boys and Chargers are world beaters, really?? Chargers still have some in the tank on offense with Jackson and Rivers, but the Center and the Nose tackle, along with Merriman have them regressing. And although I think Norv is a good O Coordinator, you can tell he is starting to slip...just like Switzer when he took over JJ's job. Wade Phillips? Romo? Nah.

The Bengals are a solid team. They might not be great but right now they are 5-2 and tied for first in the AFC North.

The Cowboys (4-2) have alot of talent on both sides of the football. Their only losses have been close games to the 5-2 Giants and 6-0 Broncos. They very easily could be 6-0. The Boys shoot themselves in the foot too much. They have as much talent as any team in the NFL.

The Chargers (3-3) have a top 5 QB in Rivers and talent on both sides of the football. Maybe they arent as good as they have been in years past. That said the Broncos walked into San Diego and beat a team on MNF that beat them 52-21 their last year.

The Broncos have shown over these 6 games that they have enough talent to win the AFC West and make a deep run into the playoffs. If the Colts sleep on the Broncos like you are they will soon realize what the real deal is my friend.