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JoeSixPat · 02-05-2010, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ausbacker

The reality is the fans don't look at it the same way because the public media witch hunt in regards to steroids has been pushed far more than amphetamines. People actually aren't aware that a lot of substances are performance enhancing and they invariably come back to "just" anabolic agents in one form or another.

It's much the same with EPO in cycling or growth hormone etc. People hear it, but they don't know what it means. Steroids.. well that's been flogged to death.

Or the reality is that Amphetamines and Steroids are two very different drugs that have very different affects on a players' performance - and that the drug that dramatically enhances physical performance is the one that fans find most offensive.

One enhances mental alertness and responsiveness, the other enhances physical power in a game where, in particular regarding the Home Run record, enhanced physical power has made a visible and dramatic difference.

***ausbacker*** · 02-05-2010, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeSixPat

Or the reality is that Amphetamines and Steroids are two very different drugs that have very different affects on a players' performance - and that the drug that dramatically enhances physical performance is the one that fans find most offensive.

One enhances mental alertness and responsiveness, the other enhances physical power in a game where, in particular regarding the Home Run record, enhanced physical power has made a visible and dramatic difference.

Are you purposely trying to be a pain in the arse?

scout · 02-06-2010, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ausbacker

The reality is the fans don't look at it the same way because the public media witch hunt in regards to steroids has been pushed far more than amphetamines. People actually aren't aware that a lot of substances are performance enhancing and they invariably come back to "just" anabolic agents in one form or another.

It's much the same with EPO in cycling or growth hormone etc. People hear it, but they don't know what it means. Steroids.. well that's been flogged to death.

I don't know why the fans and media were not in the hunt between the 50's and 70's. The numbers were so much more skewed as they were during the steroid era, you'd think someone would bring it up.

JoeSixPat · 02-06-2010, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ausbacker

Are you purposely trying to be a pain in the arse?

No.

But are you purposefully trying to have a difficult time understanding the differences between Steroids and Amphetamines and the related difference in public outrage regarding each?

***IcyPatriot*** · 02-06-2010, 06:24 PM

This thread needs an arbitrator ...

***ausbacker*** · 02-06-2010, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeSixPat

No.

But are you purposefully trying to have a difficult time understanding the differences between Steroids and Amphetamines and the related difference in public outrage regarding each?

I think you'll find that not only did you go around in circles regarding the steroids issue ultimately arriving at the initial point I raised, but now.. just now you can't even acknowledge the lack of education in public circles regarding amphetamines compared with anabolic agents.

You're one very opinionated, very pig headed individual.

JoeSixPat · 02-08-2010, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ausbacker

I think you'll find that not only did you go around in circles regarding the steroids issue ultimately arriving at the initial point I raised, but now.. just now you can't even acknowledge the lack of education in public circles regarding amphetamines compared with anabolic agents.

You're one very opinionated, very pig headed individual.

Your original point is that Steroids don't help players hit home runs.

I'm quite sure I haven't gone around in circles arriving back to agree with that initial point - the semantics that athletes who normally work out also need to work out to see the benefits of steroids is irrelevant.

That steroids are performance enhancing drugs that ultimately allow certain players to artificially enhance performance and in turn, hit more home runs isn't an "opinion" - it's a fact.

Whether the nature of Amphetamines affects home run totals in the same manner is a different matter, and one that WOULD be open to debate.

I'd submit that it is a fact that Amphetamines and Steroids are VERY different drugs, and affect performance in a VERY different manner, and that most fans are smart enough to recognize this - hence the different level of outrage among fans.

Those are all very reasonable, rational statements. If you want to view them as opinionated and pig headed, so be it.

***ausbacker*** · 02-08-2010, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeSixPat

Your original point is that Steroids don't help players hit home runs.

I'm quite sure I haven't gone around in circles arriving back to agree with that initial point - the semantics that athletes who normally work out also need to work out to see the benefits of steroids is irrelevant.

That steroids are performance enhancing drugs that ultimately allow certain players to artificially enhance performance and in turn, hit more home runs isn't an "opinion" - it's a fact.

Whether the nature of Amphetamines affects home run totals in the same manner is a different matter, and one that WOULD be open to debate.

I'd submit that it is a fact that Amphetamines and Steroids are VERY different drugs, and affect performance in a VERY different manner, and that most fans are smart enough to recognize this - hence the different level of outrage among fans.

Those are all very reasonable, rational statements. If you want to view them as opinionated and pig headed, so be it.

Go read the thread again from the very start because you are coming across further and further like a colossal moron.

Interesting that you yourself have exactly demonstrated the lack of knowledge the general public has when it comes to different performance enhancing substances.

JoeSixPat · 02-08-2010, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ausbacker

Go read the thread again from the very start because you are coming across further and further like a colossal moron.

Well, going back to the start of the thread we have this little gem, which might better illustrate the definition of "collosal moron" and someone's knowledge about performance enhancing drugs.

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Steroids don't help you hit home runs at all.

Yes, I know... you stand behind that statement... as well as your assertion that the moon landing was all a big NASA hoax. No need to rehash everything again.

***ausbacker*** · 02-09-2010, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeSixPat

Well, going back to the start of the thread we have this little gem, which might better illustrate the definition of "collosal moron" and someone's knowledge about performance enhancing drugs.

Yes, I know... you stand behind that statement... as well as your assertion that the moon landing was all a big NASA hoax. No need to rehash everything again.

Is that this quote JoeSixPat.. the entire quote for posterity.

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Originally Posted by ausbacker

Steroids don't help you hit home runs at all. They contribute to your recovery to help you train more.

People have this misconception that steroids improve your performance on use. It's far from it. They help you recover faster to train more. The devil is still in putting in the hard yards... you simply put in more on steroids.

Bolded was the selective edit.

I won't even bother posting your "evolving" thought process through this thread.