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sebman2112 · 04-13-2008, 09:30 PM

Your planet players are generally the 305-330lbs DE's and NT's on defense, and OT's and OG's on offense, especially if the player still has good mobility at that size.

Maybe you could qualify a big TE (6'6" 275lbs), and really big LB's (6'4" 275lbs) under that category, but it's a slight reach, and I wouldn't qualify the 6'3" 260lbs LB's of the world under that category.

I said this in a thread sometime back (might have been a month ago), but I think the Patriots might take one of the big boys, if they stay in the top 10. That could either be Ellis or Dorsey on defense, Jake Long, Albert, or Clady on offense. Really, they have always valued drafting from the lines out, and if you can stock one of your lines with a future All-Pro, then it's generally a very good idea.

PonyExpress · 04-13-2008, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sebman2112

Your planet players are generally the 305-330lbs DE's and NT's on defense, and OT's and OG's on offense, especially if the player still has good mobility at that size.

Maybe you could qualify a big TE (6'6" 275lbs), and really big LB's (6'4" 275lbs) under that category, but it's a slight reach, and I wouldn't qualify the 6'3" 260lbs LB's of the world under that category.

I said this in a thread sometime back (might have been a month ago), but I think the Patriots might take one of the big boys, if they stay in the top 10. That could either be Ellis or Dorsey on defense, Jake Long, Albert, or Clady on offense. Really, they have always valued drafting from the lines out, and if you can stock one of your lines with a future All-Pro, then it's generally a very good idea.

I think TEs and 3-4 OLBs qualify in that category, because of the size speed combo. But it's not really what I think that matters.

***mgteich*** · 04-13-2008, 11:56 PM

If Clady can project to be a starting RT this year, then for me he is certainly in the mix as a blue-chipper, and virtually guarantees us one of the blue-chippers (J. Long, Dorsey, Gholston, C. Long, Ellis or Clady). This only presumes that either Ryan or McFadden are drafted in the top 7. If both are in the top 7, we get at least two of the blue-chipper list.

BTW, I don't know how well Kaycur would do as a road-grader RG. But he'd be fine as the Game Day backup at both tackle positions.

I don't think that the issue with Shepherd is whether we would need to give up a 2nd or a 3rd, or the depth of the draft at corner. The issue is what he wants for a contract, and whether we believe that he'd play out the contract or just ask for more if he does well.

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I pretty much agree with everything you say except Clady. He could play RT year 1, move Kaczur to RG, and transition to LT when the need arises. I wasn't trying to imply that you or anyoine else didn't understand the Pats' "needs". I was just thinking it through for myself, although maybe I should do that on my own time. It would probably be better to call them "immediate needs" instead of "short term" needs.

I bet the Pats could probably get Lito Shepherd for their early 3rd rdr. The supposed depth of the cb class could make other teams reluctant to trade a 2nd rdr for Shepherd. Not sure if the Eagles would want to do business with us though after the battle over Moss.

BradyManny · 04-14-2008, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by mgteich

If Clady can project to be a starting RT this year, then for me he is certainly in the mix as a blue-chipper, and virtually guarantees us one of the blue-chippers (J. Long, Dorsey, Gholston, C. Long, Ellis or Clady). This only presumes that either Ryan or McFadden are drafted in the top 7. If both are in the top 7, we get at least two of the blue-chipper list.

BTW, I don't know how well Kaycur would do as a road-grader RG. But he'd be fine as the Game Day backup at both tackle positions.

I was very surprised to see Kazcur viewed so highly by Scouts Inc, I don't have the actual grade, but they had him as worthy of a 2005 1st round pick in the Scout Inc "re-draft" thing as mentioned per Reiss. Obviously, it's just one opinion, but I view him as an upgradeable part.

And I think RT v. LT, as another poster pointed out rather well in another thread, isn't as important a distinction for the Pats. We're so pass-heavy and so often line up the TE on the left, that our RT better be capable of handling edge rushers in space.

I'm starting to like Duane Brown the more I hear about him. An athletic OT we can hopefully get with the early round 3 pick, wouldn't have Clady's upside, but might fit the bill. I don't know too much about him, but have scoured looking for more opinions on him, sounds like a Pats fit.

captain stone · 04-15-2008, 12:33 AM

Terrific thread, folks. Excellent points/counterpoints made, and I find myself in general agreement on at least some of those points made by each one of you.

My ideal scenario for the first 3 rounds is that we trade down into the teens and receive another 2nd-round pick. I don't like the possibility of not having any draft choices between #s 7 and 62. That's just too much talent to watch pass by you. With our first pick, we should then take the best available Pass Rusher. With our second pick, we should take the best available CB. With #s 62, 69 and 94, we should take 3 of the best available at CB, OLB, ILB, FS, RS and OL, as long as one of those 3 is another CB. Our 4th- through 6th-round choices should be spent on the above position groups not drafted already; and our 7th-rounder can be used for the best available (blocking) TE, just to make Bill and Scott extra happy.